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Post by stapler on Sept 13, 2016 22:08:03 GMT
Passing the depot today, I noticed very much more track lifting and replacing than heretofore. Does anyone have a succinct summary of what they are doing, how long it'll take, and how maintenance and storage of trains is being dealt with currently, when half the depot must be out of action?
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Post by rincew1nd on Sept 14, 2016 0:02:53 GMT
Which depot are you referring to?
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Post by Chris M on Sept 14, 2016 7:37:16 GMT
Which depot are you referring to? Given the thread title, Ilford. |
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Post by rincew1nd on Sept 14, 2016 9:07:42 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2016 9:48:32 GMT
The term "depot" has a couple of meanings.
It can simplistically either be for the overnight 'parking' of trains when not in service or the repair and maintenance of trains.
Ilford has had a dual role for many years (since 1500v DC OHLE) but seems from the signs going up at the Ley Street entrance to be more of a maintenance depot for Crossrail trains with Gidea Park (according to local press) being the 'stabling' depot.
Ilford depot is apparently being moved gradually sideways to continue the accommodation of existing train services (TfL) while Crossrail sidings are installed until the whole depot morphs into Crossrail and residual TfL servicing and maintenance goes to Gidea Park (or 'overnight' at Stratford).
When Crossrail begins, the 4tph or so TfL services to LivSt 'on the surface' will start from Gidea Park.
According to local comment, when Crossrail and TfL 'peak' begin there are concerns at car parking problems around GP caused by Epping escapees.
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Post by superteacher on Sept 14, 2016 18:53:46 GMT
The term "depot" has a couple of meanings. It can simplistically either be for the overnight 'parking' of trains when not in service or the repair and maintenance of trains. Ilford has had a dual role for many years (since 1500v DC OHLE) but seems from the signs going up at the Ley Street entrance to be more of a maintenance depot for Crossrail trains with Gidea Park (according to local press) being the 'stabling' depot. Ilford depot is apparently being moved gradually sideways to continue the accommodation of existing train services (TfL) while Crossrail sidings are installed until the whole depot morphs into Crossrail and residual TfL servicing and maintenance goes to Gidea Park (or 'overnight' at Stratford). When Crossrail begins, the 4tph or so TfL services to LivSt 'on the surface' will start from Gidea Park. According to local comment, when Crossrail and TfL 'peak' begin there are concerns at car parking problems around GP caused by Epping escapees. I'm assuming "TFL peak" is an informal name, as all services will be branded as Elizabeth line, even those that don't run through the core section. I can't see many people driving to Gidea Park from the wilds of Essex. The local traffic around Gallows Corner is pretty bad in the peak, unless you arrive before 7am and leave after 7pm. |
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Post by chris11256 on Sept 14, 2016 19:44:24 GMT
Don't Bombardier also have a site at Ilford? From what I understand c2c 357s goes there for wheel work.
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Post by stapler on Sept 15, 2016 13:42:47 GMT
Yes, they do. |I've occasionally posted details of "foreign" sets being seen in the complex.
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Post by peterc on Sept 15, 2016 18:03:24 GMT
Considering how busy Gallows Corner and the Pettits Lane junction are at the peaks combined with a limited car park capacity and a long walk from the nearest on street parking I would think that GP is a non starter. Far more likely to have people going to Harold Wood, Brentwood or Shenfield although I don't recall any of them having large car parks.
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Post by Chris W on Sept 15, 2016 18:21:53 GMT
Considering how busy Gallows Corner and the Pettits Lane junction are at the peaks combined with a limited car park capacity and a long walk from the nearest on street parking I would think that GP is a non starter. Far more likely to have people going to Harold Wood, Brentwood or Shenfield although I don't recall any of them having large car parks. Don't even think about Gidea Park... I know the area well and its a non-starter re parking. There's nothing much at Harold Wood.... less so now as station building works have closed the ticket hall/office at street level meaning portacabins now occupy part of the former/closed car park. Brentwood does have a reasonable car park due west of the station on the other side of Warley Hill. Its less used the further away from the station you are prepared to walk. There is a car park immediately south of Shenfield station, park of which has a dual level, but its quite well patroned most days. |
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Post by stapler on Sept 15, 2016 19:38:43 GMT
Brentwood is unattractive because of the all stops formula and the journey time to London, as well as zone 9 fares.
I just don't see massive relief of the Epping branch, at least whilst it's in zone 6.
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Post by superteacher on Sept 15, 2016 19:50:58 GMT
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Post by 315 on Sept 17, 2016 1:33:29 GMT
Ilford Depot Country End has a block on to knock down B Shop and lay new sidings for the Class 345 and East Anglia units. I happened to be visiting the depot yesterday and saw first hand the work that was taking place.
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Post by stapler on Sept 17, 2016 7:16:19 GMT
315, it certainly looks very extensive work. Did you find out how routine operations are being accommodated during it? Are more units being stored overnight at eg Gidea Park, Chingford, Stratford?
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Post by davidr1986 on Sept 18, 2016 22:50:53 GMT
Don't forget Aldersbrook carriage sidings
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Post by stapler on Sept 19, 2016 6:56:07 GMT
Someone told me (maybe on here?) that Aldersbrook sidings were being decommisioned. Any infor?
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Post by davidr1986 on Sept 19, 2016 12:57:58 GMT
They were decommissioned in the 90's but brought back into use to stable some of the class 315s, probably because of the works at Ilford depot plus at Gidea Park and Shenfield
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Post by silenthunter on Sept 19, 2016 21:28:18 GMT
The term "depot" has a couple of meanings. It can simplistically either be for the overnight 'parking' of trains when not in service or the repair and maintenance of trains. Ilford has had a dual role for many years (since 1500v DC OHLE) but seems from the signs going up at the Ley Street entrance to be more of a maintenance depot for Crossrail trains with Gidea Park (according to local press) being the 'stabling' depot. Ilford depot is apparently being moved gradually sideways to continue the accommodation of existing train services (TfL) while Crossrail sidings are installed until the whole depot morphs into Crossrail and residual TfL servicing and maintenance goes to Gidea Park (or 'overnight' at Stratford). Gidea Park is a load of sidings and very little else. News to me if it's becoming a maintenance depot. |
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Post by 315 on Sept 21, 2016 4:51:15 GMT
TfL Rail are stabling units at LST as well as the odd one at either SNF or GDP Middle Siding whilst the work at Ilford Depot is taking place. GDP Carriage Sidings is also currently having a train wash installed.
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Post by alholmes on Sept 21, 2016 14:00:59 GMT
I've noticed recently that the LO unit for the Romford-Upminster shuttle now comes from Chingford instead of Ilford. Usually starts from Chingford late the previous evening, stabling overnight at either Liverpool Street or Romford.
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Post by silenthunter on Sept 21, 2016 17:05:19 GMT
I've noticed recently that the LO unit for the Romford-Upminster shuttle now comes from Chingford instead of Ilford. Usually starts from Chingford late the previous evening, stabling overnight at either Liverpool Street or Romford. They've been using 317s or 321s on that shuttle for months. Don't entirely know why you need an outer-suburban unit with a toilet for a eight-minute journey... |
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Post by domh245 on Sept 21, 2016 17:45:11 GMT
I've noticed recently that the LO unit for the Romford-Upminster shuttle now comes from Chingford instead of Ilford. Usually starts from Chingford late the previous evening, stabling overnight at either Liverpool Street or Romford. They've been using 317s or 321s on that shuttle for months. Don't entirely know why you need an outer-suburban unit with a toilet for a eight-minute journey... Because that's all the stock that they have! They could use a 315, but those are better suited to the main routes, so they prioritise keeping those on there, leaving the Romford-Upminster with whatever they had left. A similar situation existed when it was under AGA's hand IIRC. |
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Post by spsmiler on Sept 21, 2016 20:55:42 GMT
I thought that when new trains come on stream these will be used on this service, as part of the general Overground fleet. Where they will be stabled however I have no idea. Ilford? Chingford?
Simon
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Post by silenthunter on Sept 21, 2016 21:07:30 GMT
The LO Aventras are going to be used on the line, yes.
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Post by stapler on Sept 21, 2016 21:45:45 GMT
A friend told me he had seen a TFL-Rail liveried 315 in Chingford sidings, but I thought that rather unlikely! Anyone else seen it?
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Post by stapler on Sept 21, 2016 21:47:42 GMT
I've noticed recently that the LO unit for the Romford-Upminster shuttle now comes from Chingford instead of Ilford. Usually starts from Chingford late the previous evening, stabling overnight at either Liverpool Street or Romford. They've been using 317s or 321s on that shuttle for months. Don't entirely know why you need an outer-suburban unit with a toilet for a eight-minute journey... When you're my age, you might. |
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Post by silenthunter on Sept 21, 2016 21:57:11 GMT
A friend told me he had seen a TFL-Rail liveried 315 in Chingford sidings, but I thought that rather unlikely! Anyone else seen it? Well, it'd be less out of place than the Electric Blue privately owned Class 86 Les Ross attached to a Mark 3 rake that's been parked in Ilford a few times lately... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 21:44:27 GMT
From what I've heard AGA's Aventras will also be serviced at Ilford by Bombardier. Looking forward to seeing a few of the Crossrail ones venturing out to Witham on the test run path. Stadlers will be looked after up at Manningtree and Norwich.
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Post by stapler on Oct 11, 2016 22:07:00 GMT
I believe I read the Abellio is being dropped from AGA as early as next week. Doubtless we will see some adman's exotic livery appearing on these Aventras when they arrive.
In Ilford depot today was a GN class 365 and an unidentified EMU (obscured by another) in some kind of yellow overall vinyls.....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 22:17:07 GMT
The livery for the Stadlers is pretty restrained. Looks quite nice in fact. We should see it on the Renatus 321s in a few weeks too.
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