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Post by aslefshrugged on Nov 2, 2018 19:44:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2018 20:45:25 GMT
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Post by rincew1nd on Nov 3, 2018 2:09:51 GMT
Whilst I would like UK trains to be built in the UK, I struggle with Bombardier's argument that jobs are safe but also that this contract is needed for the security of the plant.
To me. It sounds like those who felt entitled to something have been rejected on merit and are now having a tantrum!
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Post by Ben on Nov 3, 2018 2:18:12 GMT
What was the order a while back that Bombardier lost that they then gladly let be spun that massive job losses would result, when the majority of job losses were planned and announced anyway quite beforehand?
Sour grapes.
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Post by aslefshrugged on Nov 3, 2018 15:34:35 GMT
Whilst I would like UK trains to be built in the UK, I struggle with Bombardier's argument that jobs are safe but also that this contract is needed for the security of the plant. To me. It sounds like those who felt entitled to something have been rejected on merit and are now having a tantrum! The trains will be built in the UK, Siemens are opening a factory in Goole, Yorkshire. |
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Post by scheduler on Nov 6, 2018 0:26:48 GMT
Am not surprised Siemens beat Bombardier - all the new trains for London Overground, Crossrail, Thameslink that Bombardier have had on order were delivered late. And LU what their new Picc trins on time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 10:02:22 GMT
Bombardier have been a nightmare to work with on some aspects of the SSL project, so I am really not surprised Siemens beat them to it. Why would anyone sign up for the same customer service when they have the option to go with someone else.
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Post by MoreToJack on Nov 6, 2018 11:57:03 GMT
Am not surprised Siemens beat Bombardier - all the new trains for... Thameslink...had on order were delivered late. Thameslink isn't a Bombardier train... ...it's Siemens. |
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Post by snoggle on Nov 6, 2018 13:40:38 GMT
Bombardier have been a nightmare to work with on some aspects of the SSL project, so I am really not surprised Siemens beat them to it. Why would anyone sign up for the same customer service when they have the option to go with someone else. While I take your point I can't imagine that was any part of the scoring process for the bids. If it *was* (i.e. a subjective assessment biased against one contractor) then no wonder there was a legal challenge over the process! You can only go on what is in the bid and any subsequent clarification responses. If Bombardier said "We will provide fantastic customer support for the new trains" then that's their position. I'd expect LU's relevant experts to require Bombardier (and other bidders) to give a lot more supporting detail to substantiate any claims in the bid so a proper assessment can be made. If there have been problems in the past I'd expect Bombardier to be "up front" about how they would avoid such issues in the future especially as the PLU requires a subsequent phase of signalling and control system integration with new rolling stock (as with SSR). Just call me naive.  |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 6, 2018 13:48:14 GMT
Am not surprised Siemens beat Bombardier - all the new trains for... Thameslink...had on order were delivered late. Thameslink isn't a Bombardier train... ...it's Siemens. And the 700s (and 707s on SWR) were delivered on time with hardly a hitch - it looks like the 717s for the Northern City aren't far off either (one of them has actually run in passenger service already): they're certainly not as late as Bombardier's 710s for the Overground. |
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Post by MoreToJack on Nov 6, 2018 15:51:59 GMT
Thameslink isn't a Bombardier train... ...it's Siemens. And the 700s (and 707s on SWR) were delivered on time with hardly a hitch - it looks like the 717s for the Northern City aren't far off either (one of them has actually run in passenger service already): they're certainly not as late as Bombardier's 710s for the Overground. Have we been using the same Thameslink? |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 6, 2018 16:01:58 GMT
And the 700s were delivered on time with hardly a hitch Have we been using the same Thameslink? I don't think delivery of the trains was the problem........ |
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Post by 35b on Nov 6, 2018 16:01:59 GMT
Thameslink isn't a Bombardier train... ...it's Siemens. And the 700s (and 707s on SWR) were delivered on time with hardly a hitch - it looks like the 717s for the Northern City aren't far off either (one of them has actually run in passenger service already): they're certainly not as late as Bombardier's 710s for the Overground. Funny, the MTIN statistics published in Modern Railways give a different view of the 700s. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2018 18:19:15 GMT
Have we been using the same Thameslink? I don't think delivery of the trains was the problem........ It was one of the problems. Trains were delivered late - and that delay made everything else even worse. |
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Post by 100andthirty on Nov 20, 2018 14:22:40 GMT
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Post by patrickb on Nov 20, 2018 21:04:04 GMT
Very intrigued by the subtle design changes. This is by no means any mock up, but going by the concept drawing, intermediate carriages will have varied lengths and there will be a complete drivers cab.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 22:23:58 GMT
It'll be very interesting to see what the final mock-up will look like
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Post by rincew1nd on Nov 20, 2018 23:39:19 GMT
It'll be very interesting to see what the final mock-up will look like Assuming there will be one! |
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Post by up1989 on Nov 21, 2018 2:01:55 GMT
They are saying we will see the new trains by 2024, could they really design build and test new trains in only 6 years?
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Post by cudsn15 on Nov 21, 2018 13:20:18 GMT
“These state-of-the-art trains, which are track-friendly..."
What do they mean by "Track Friendly" ?? as opposed to what?
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Post by phoenixcronin on Nov 21, 2018 13:30:06 GMT
Any idea what they will actually be called? 2024 Stock? I hope they don’t call it “New Tube for London”
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 13:47:17 GMT
“These state-of-the-art trains, which are track-friendly..." What do they mean by "Track Friendly" ?? as opposed to what? Less bogies? |
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Post by Dmitri on Nov 21, 2018 13:57:08 GMT
What do they mean by "Track Friendly" Less impact on the track? |
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Post by Chris M on Nov 21, 2018 16:08:30 GMT
“These state-of-the-art trains, which are track-friendly..." What do they mean by "Track Friendly" ?? as opposed to what? I would expect that to mean that they cause less wear and tear on the tracks. Being lighter and having better weight distribution are I think typical ways to achieve this. Being less susceptible to wheel flats would also help. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 21, 2018 20:45:09 GMT
What do they mean by "Track Friendly" ?? as opposed to what? Less bogies? Fewer bogies actually means each one is carrying more weight. |
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Post by alpinejohn on Nov 22, 2018 7:46:22 GMT
The Focus transport website has a long article giving some detail about the new trains - presumably written by someone who has at least been briefed by Siemens. From a customer perspective perhaps the most welcome is the statement that the new trains will have full air conditioning rather than the "air cooling" solution offered by some other tenders. The interesting challenge for TFL will be to work out how to adapt their tunnels to cost effectively dispose of the extra rejected heat that air conditioned trains will generate.
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Post by 100andthirty on Nov 22, 2018 8:23:15 GMT
The Focus Transport article is a rehash of the press release. Don't get hung up by "air conditioning" or "air cooling". Irrespective of the label applied to the function, LU have some tunnel cooling work to do.
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Post by spsmiler on Nov 22, 2018 10:26:20 GMT
I wonder if they will have proper electronic passenger information displays. By which I mean maps that show things like direction of travel, the route being travelled, where we are in that journey, the next station, the interchange possibilities at the next station (buses too! - especially in suburban areas) etc.
I am hoping for something more like that seen on the Class 700 trains than the S stock trains.
At least these trains will only work on one line - unlike the S7 trains which work multiple lines and have multiple route maps that confuse unwary passengers.
btw, a few weeks ago I was in Hong Kong and marvelled at the passenger information on their trains. London should be at that standard too.
I also wonder what these trains will sound like - I am thinking of their electronic control gear, etc. I wonder if they will be like the other Siemens trains which emit what to me is pleasant musical tone sounds.
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Post by londoner on Nov 22, 2018 10:41:45 GMT
I also wonder what these trains will sound like - I am thinking of their electronic control gear, etc. I wonder if they will be like the other Siemens trains which emit what to me is pleasant musical tone sounds. Have any tube stock ever played in-carriage music? |
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Post by 35b on Nov 22, 2018 11:32:35 GMT
I also wonder what these trains will sound like - I am thinking of their electronic control gear, etc. I wonder if they will be like the other Siemens trains which emit what to me is pleasant musical tone sounds. Have any tube stock ever played in-carriage music? Whether they have, I hope they never do. |
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