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Post by jamesb on May 24, 2019 2:02:43 GMT
I spotted a unit with a new type of inter-car barriers between two cars on an 8 car unit. They were made of rubber. I haven't seen any more units with this mod since a week ago. I had thought all ‘92s were fitted with the rubber sharks-teeth between the cars after the Holland Park incident in August 2013 ? I think that plasmid was referring to the inter-car barrier that is made of synthetic material and held in place by shock cords. I've seen the rubber replacement as well, but that was a few months ago. Maybe they are testing out the new design, which would reduce the need to check that the existing ones are secured in place (3 customers were struck by a loose inter-car barrier at Mile End in 2009). I thought that rubber sharks-teeth were already in place when the incident at Holland Park occurred in August 2013, but they actually ended up being used as steps. After the Holland Park incident, additional rubber barriers were placed above the door, to make it harder to climb up between the cars? |
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Post by stapler on May 24, 2019 13:33:40 GMT
Nothing to do with sharks' teeth, but on Thursday at the Transport day of the Epping Forest DC local plan examination eppingforestdc.public-i.tv/core/portal/webcast_interactive/394778 and associated statements there was a bit of an argument as to whether there was really any prospect of capacity improvements on the Epping Branch in the plan period to 2032; several people arguing there was none (and actually a reduction in the short term) and the council arguing TFL stated the contrary 2 years ago. TFL had sent a letter to an objector which mentioned the remotoring exercise, fitting trais with them, the disabled adaptations and signal upgrade (sometime) but put the 92TS replacement to the early 30s. What do forum members think? |
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 29, 2019 5:41:00 GMT
I spotted a unit with a new type of inter-car barriers between two cars on an 8 car unit. They were made of rubber. I haven't seen any more units with this mod since a week ago. I had thought all ‘92s were fitted with the rubber sharks-teeth between the cars after the Holland Park incident in August 2013 ? I think that plasmid was referring to the inter-car barrier that is made of synthetic material and held in place by shock cords. I've seen the rubber replacement as well, but that was a few months ago. Maybe they are testing out the new design, which would reduce the need to check that the existing ones are secured in place (3 customers were struck by a loose inter-car barrier at Mile End in 2009). I thought that rubber sharks-teeth were already in place when the incident at Holland Park occurred in August 2013, but they actually ended up being used as steps. After the Holland Park incident, additional rubber barriers were placed above the door, to make it harder to climb up between the cars? I’ve just seen unit 92168-93168 with the new rubber inter-car barriers that plasmid refers, apologies for initially doubting. Yes, fixed to each car with a small gap between. |
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Post by firestorm on May 29, 2019 21:35:11 GMT
I spotted a unit with a new type of inter-car barriers between two cars on an 8 car unit. They were made of rubber. I haven't seen any more units with this mod since a week ago. I think that plasmid was referring to the inter-car barrier that is made of synthetic material and held in place by shock cords. I've seen the rubber replacement as well, but that was a few months ago. Maybe they are testing out the new design, which would reduce the need to check that the existing ones are secured in place (3 customers were struck by a loose inter-car barrier at Mile End in 2009). I thought that rubber sharks-teeth were already in place when the incident at Holland Park occurred in August 2013, but they actually ended up being used as steps. After the Holland Park incident, additional rubber barriers were placed above the door, to make it harder to climb up between the cars? I’ve just seen unit 92168-93168 with the new rubber inter-car barriers that plasmid refers, apologies for initially doubting. Yes, fixed to each car with a small gap between. Was curious about this new intercar barrier and had a dig around, I assume this is what people saw?  This was a trial back in august 2016 and it appears only this unit was ever fitted, can't find anymore information about it but looks like they were happy to leave it on. I think costs would have been a major factor in not replacing the entire fleet, furthermore the current intercar barriers have an inner safety lanyard fitted to the shock cords. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2019 17:10:33 GMT
Is it possible it was a trial, of which has proven successful? It could be that the work is to be tagged onto other work that is about to be carried out to the stock?
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Post by d7666 on Jun 17, 2019 15:15:45 GMT
Which unit (2car) has gone to "Bombardier test track" please (I assume this means Old Dalby). At least one has already gone by road low loader.
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Post by goldenarrow on Jun 17, 2019 15:32:05 GMT
As of December 2018, 91111 and 92111 were reported as being in Derby for associated works in the Feb 19 issue of UNDERGROUND NEWS.
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Post by d7666 on Jun 17, 2019 15:34:29 GMT
As of December 2018, 91111 and 92111 were reported as being in Derby for associated works in the Feb 19 issue of UNDERGROUND NEWS. Thanks, however the impression I got from an internal staff news item was this was a new move in June i.e. this month, which is why I asked. it might be the same unit of course, or old news being recycled as new news. Unless they are reporting the move from Derby to test track, but if meant to say that it didn't imply it. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jun 17, 2019 16:52:32 GMT
As of December 2018, 91111 and 92111 were reported as being in Derby for associated works in the Feb 19 issue of UNDERGROUND NEWS. Thanks, however the impression I got from an internal staff news item was this was a new move in June i.e. this month, which is why I asked. it might be the same unit of course, or old news being recycled as new news. Unless they are reporting the move from Derby to test track, but if meant to say that it didn't imply it. There was another recent departure by road from Ruislip in conjunction with the ‘92 Stock upgrade. The unit number is just readable on the photo as 92446-93446. |
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Post by d7666 on Jun 18, 2019 11:30:42 GMT
Thanks, however the impression I got from an internal staff news item was this was a new move in June i.e. this month, which is why I asked. it might be the same unit of course, or old news being recycled as new news. Unless they are reporting the move from Derby to test track, but if meant to say that it didn't imply it. There was another recent departure by road from Ruislip in conjunction with the ‘92 Stock upgrade. The unit number is just readable on the photo as 92446-93446. thanks! |
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Post by holborncentral on Jun 18, 2019 11:35:16 GMT
A bit like Theseus's ship, or Triggers Broom... Or for the younger members who are two lazy to search the above and who only speak in images....  I love that song 😂😂 used to love Sugababes back in the day. They had some good songs. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2019 19:56:08 GMT
Quite rare of course, but some drivers do actually like to be drivers too.  |
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Post by A60stock on Jun 21, 2019 8:16:29 GMT
how are they going to get all of the trains refurbished/dda compliant by the end of this year?! It seems too many to do before this date.
When can be expect to see the first refurshed unit in service? Presume this will also include a re livery?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jun 21, 2019 8:53:10 GMT
how are they going to get all of the trains refurbished/dda compliant by the end of this year?! It seems too many to do before this date. When can be expect to see the first refurshed unit in service? Presume this will also include a re livery? They won’t probably even start this year. The reduced timetable and 4-car Woodford shuttle is not due until 2020. The new workshop at Acton Works is only just having its frame erected. Probably now won’t be re-liveried, they recently had a firm assess the paintwork and it was considered to be in (mostly) good condition and the trial unit was simply polished to restore the paint finish. The Bakerloo Line 1972 II Stock are similarly affected, only just trial fitting of new wheelchair spaces inside a withdrawn MK I trailer car. |
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Post by A60stock on Jun 21, 2019 9:18:49 GMT
But i thought all stock in the UK had to be DDA compliant by 2020, therefore the stock wont be able to continue in service until this is done? This is the reason all the national rail stock work is being hurried up e.g. pacers being withdrawn, stock being made compliant...
What changes will the reduced timetable result in? (Asides from the 4 car shuttle for the loop)
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Post by silenthunter on Jun 21, 2019 9:21:07 GMT
You'd get a derogation if required.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jun 21, 2019 9:43:01 GMT
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Post by Dstock7080 on Dec 21, 2019 11:31:31 GMT
Work is slowly progressing on the CLIP Central Line Improvement Project trial units.
- The new AC14 workshop in Acton Works, where the bulk of the trains will be converted, is progressing well, it’s roof is now on and watertight. Concrete pouring for the pit-roads is continuing.
- The units at Bombardier Derby are about to receive their bogies back, which now have the new AC motors fitted. New static converters and data-links are also being fitted. Once an 8-car train is ready this will undertake static then dynamic testing will then occur before delivery back to London.
- Other units at Acton Works (old workshops) are undergoing trial fitment of new CIS/PIS internal display screen brackets, unfortunately these units will partly obscure the top of the large ‘92 Stock windows. The manufacturer of the new LED saloon lighting has successfully fitted a car, these look very similar to the existing fittings. Recently a car has been fitted with a wheelchair space which has required the moving of in-car equipment to achieve this. Equipment is now located in flush panelling on the car sides. It looks as if 5-seats will be lost in the wheelchair space cars, unless tip-up seats are added in part replacement.
- Car-ends have been ordered, to complete those cars not done under the last programme.
- A company has been brought in to trial professionally polishing of the exterior finish, which has been successful in restoring the original paint finish, it is not envisaged to repaint or vinyl any cars. Similar work has been trialed on the car interior.
Nothing has been mentioned yet about seat-height adjustment, replacement, moquette renewal or armrests!
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Post by 1018509 on Dec 22, 2019 14:25:03 GMT
I presume there is a database which stores details of all the maintenance/ upgrades to each car. Before the rise of computers however, was such information stored on books? Did this require hard copies to be made? Indeed all maintainence was kept on log books,kept up to date by the Depot Office Assistant.Every time a unit went through heavy overhaul a new log book was started.It also recorded the stock numbers of all equipment fitted to the unit ie:wheelsets,motors,compressors,MAs etc.This was done on all lines ,not just the Central. I used to be a cover Depot Office Assistant (DOA) at Ruislip Depot - gulp - 49 years ago. All maintenance recorded in individual log books and routine maintenance kept a track of on a large board on the wall; movable metal tags variously coloured for different maintenance activities. spent several hours per shift updating these. |
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Post by danwoodhouse on Jan 20, 2020 9:32:26 GMT
I was just about to start a new thread of my own then I saw this
So is there actually going to be a 1992 stock refurb after all - PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE they need it, performance wise I have no problem, but the interiors of these trains have been a problem since day 1
The seats need to be pushed right back against the car bodies simple as, there's a good few inches of space going to waste behind those seats taken up by a vent that never seems to work well anyway
and how do they only get a bank of just 5 seats in the centre bay on the 1992 stock? the 1995 stock can fit 6 seats in the middle
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jan 20, 2020 10:27:43 GMT
I was just about to start a new thread of my own then I saw this So is there actually going to be a 1992 stock refurb after all - PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE they need it, performance wise I have no problem, but the interiors of these trains have been a problem since day 1 The seats need to be pushed right back against the car bodies simple as, there's a good few inches of space going to waste behind those seats taken up by a vent that never seems to work well anyway and how do they only get a bank of just 5 seats in the centre bay on the 1992 stock? the 1995 stock can fit 6 seats in the middle Yes they will be getting a (mostly) mechanical/electrical refurbishment. Many of the items to be done are in the posts above. Things not revealed yet are: - seat height - final seat moquette - floor covering - interior decor 1992 Stock door apertures are wider than’95/‘96 Stock 1406mm v. 1664mm hence less space for seats. |
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Post by stapler on Jan 29, 2020 8:15:12 GMT
Dstock, how are the units getting to Acton?
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Post by underover on Jan 29, 2020 20:19:26 GMT
Dstock, how are the units getting to Acton? Current plan is to fit with tripcock, and driven to acton in engineering hours |
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Post by stapler on Jan 29, 2020 22:36:07 GMT
Thanks, Dstock. I gather it won't start just yet,waiting the shed to be ready...
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Post by underover on Feb 2, 2020 17:20:55 GMT
Thanks, Dstock. I gather it won't start just yet,waiting the shed to be ready... They have been working on a unit or two for quite a while now. The job will start before the new workshop is ready for sure. There were talks of the job starting in February. |
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Post by t697 on Feb 4, 2020 22:53:48 GMT
and how do they only get a bank of just 5 seats in the centre bay on the 1992 stock? the 1995 stock can fit 6 seats in the middle As well as the different doorway widths, don't forget that a 1995TS car is at least 1.5m longer than a 1992TS car. |
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Post by noddymac on Feb 4, 2020 23:11:39 GMT
It will be interesting to see exactly what improvements have been made when they start entering service with all the upgrades. I imagine it will improve reliability greatly. As for interior and physical refurb, I wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t see a lot of changes but I’m optimistic about it. Unlike many, I actually like the 92’s.
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Post by jimbo on Feb 5, 2020 3:31:17 GMT
Central Line Improvement Programme (CLIP) commenced in Dec 2015 to deliver an integrated design including: AC Traction system, Data Transmission System, Passenger Information System, CCTV, LED saloon lighting, Accessibility improvements (including new flooring, wheelchair bays, grab poles, weld repairs), Cab ends, Capacity Optimisation to enable an extra train available for service on the Hainault Loop [now or on completion?], Doors overhaul and new doors where required, Additional scope proposed: CL PL (£67M) [what is Central Line PL?] T1 & T2 already in Derby prototyping, and to recover some of the delay T3 pre-production now to Derby and not Acton. Acton new workshop was due April 2020 for T3 into shed July 2020 but delivery slipped 6 months to January 2021 now for T4.
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Post by 100andthirty on Feb 5, 2020 8:07:10 GMT
Jimbo....PL is programme lift.....simplistically bogie overhaul...sensible if lifting and removing the traction motors anyway. Also Capacity Optimisation is a positive euphemism for reintroducing the Woodford-Hainault shuttle with 4-car trains.
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Post by stapler on Feb 5, 2020 8:09:20 GMT
It will be interesting to see exactly what improvements have been made when they start entering service with all the upgrades. I imagine it will improve reliability greatly. As for interior and physical refurb, I wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t see a lot of changes but I’m optimistic about it. Unlike many, I actually like the 92’s. The CL manager who briefed Epping Forest DC apparently said seating upgrades **would** be involved. Good thing if so; the 92 I rode in yesterday had seats like Formica, with the moquette almost as shiny. How are the units being got to Derby BTW, by road? |
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