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Post by jimbo on Feb 5, 2020 10:44:15 GMT
… Capacity Optimisation is a positive euphemism for reintroducing the Woodford-Hainault shuttle with 4-car trains. What is the point of a Woodford-Hainault shuttle if it requires an extra train available for service? Surely the extra train could have gone to CLIP project? |
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Post by A60stock on Feb 5, 2020 16:52:25 GMT
So whats the expected date for refurbished 92ts to re-enter service?
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Post by stapler on Feb 5, 2020 22:17:17 GMT
Stated ETA is 2023.
But...
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Post by noddymac on Feb 7, 2020 14:25:53 GMT
Stated ETA is 2023. But... Three years for one train refurbishment/overhaul? |
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Post by A60stock on Feb 7, 2020 16:35:04 GMT
Exactly what I was thinking. I was specifically talking about when the first refurbished train would enter service, which i expected to be this year, given that DDA 2020 is now in effect
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Post by superteacher on Feb 8, 2020 12:38:43 GMT
Exactly what I was thinking. I was specifically talking about when the first refurbished train would enter service, which i expected to be this year, given that DDA 2020 is now in effect They were given a time extension in terms of compliance. |
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Post by underover on Feb 9, 2020 16:21:57 GMT
At full production, I believe it is a train per 30 days. Before then, staff need to be trained, job processes need to be created and trailed, part/stock delivery needs to be perfected etc. For example, the first battery loco refurb was 2 years from start to handed back to depot if I remember correctly.
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Post by goldenarrow on Mar 7, 2020 14:48:28 GMT
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Post by stapler on Mar 7, 2020 22:13:52 GMT
Any adaptation for the disabled must be welcome, but is the best they can come up with?
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Post by Chris M on Mar 8, 2020 2:02:55 GMT
I'm not sure what else you are looking for from what is clearly labelled as a prototype and which has had no cosmetic work done on it?
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Post by futurix on Mar 8, 2020 17:53:17 GMT
I'm not sure what else you are looking for from what is clearly labelled as a prototype and which has had no cosmetic work done on it? I was also perturbed by the bare plastic in the photo - but your message makes it make sense. Hopefully tip-up seats are added too. |
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Post by underover on Mar 8, 2020 23:35:33 GMT
Keep in mind as well that any existing equipment ideally needs to stay where it is/as near as possible to its original position. You then need to make sure you still have access to maintain equipment.
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Post by stapler on Mar 9, 2020 7:59:07 GMT
I'm not sure what else you are looking for from what is clearly labelled as a prototype and which has had no cosmetic work done on it? I was also perturbed by the bare plastic in the photo - but your message makes it make sense. Hopefully tip-up seats are added too. If they're not, all TFL will get is moans from able-bodied passengers that they have reduced the already meagre seating of the 92s... |
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Post by futurix on Mar 9, 2020 10:20:20 GMT
Not to mention that this particular space will be useless for standing passengers (unless they are children).
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Post by Chris M on Mar 9, 2020 12:36:02 GMT
Not to mention that this particular space will be useless for standing passengers (unless they are children). Not just children (although there are plenty of children young people who travel on these trains). There have been loads of times I've been in the equivalent of this position by the doors and there are plenty of adults my height and shorter. |
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Post by futurix on Mar 9, 2020 14:04:13 GMT
Sorry, I forget that not everyone is 6' 4"  |
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Post by Chris M on Mar 9, 2020 14:58:55 GMT
Tube trains are a lot more spacious when you're 5'5" on a good day!
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Post by Dstock7080 on Mar 9, 2020 15:50:01 GMT
I was also perturbed by the bare plastic in the photo - but your message makes it make sense. Hopefully tip-up seats are added too. If they're not, all TFL will get is moans from able-bodied passengers that they have reduced the already meagre seating of the 92s... I believe that similar to the upcoming '72 Stock, these will have 4 perch/'bum rests' at the side. The new cabinets are metal. |
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Post by spsmiler on Mar 10, 2020 0:15:59 GMT
Given a choice I'd rather have Northern line style tip-up seats to Jubilee line style bum rests!
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Post by Chris M on Mar 10, 2020 8:48:38 GMT
in terms of standing space, perch seats are significantly better than tip-up seats as the latter get sat on when the standing space is not required but do not get relinquished when that space is required for standees.
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Post by crusty54 on Mar 10, 2020 11:42:46 GMT
in terms of standing space, perch seats are significantly better than tip-up seats as the latter get sat on when the standing space is not required but do not get relinquished when that space is required for standees. On the Jubilee line trains the perches are not really long enough for 2 people. For the Central line upgrade it will depend whether there equipment or access required behind the panels. |
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Post by John Tuthill on Mar 10, 2020 14:33:30 GMT
in terms of standing space, perch seats are significantly better than tip-up seats as the latter get sat on when the standing space is not required but do not get relinquished when that space is required for standees. Perch seats are nothing new. I can remember when the 38s on the Northern Line was my transport to and from work, there was one car that was modified with perch seats either side of the double doors. There is a photo on the LT musuem web page if anybodys interested. |
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Post by stapler on Mar 13, 2020 13:38:03 GMT
If they're not, all TFL will get is moans from able-bodied passengers that they have reduced the already meagre seating of the 92s... I believe that similar to the upcoming '72 Stock, these will have 4 perch/'bum rests' at the side. The new cabinets are metal. The bum rests are hopeless. Wrong angle and too shallow for most bums, so occupant has to brace her/his legs! |
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Post by linus on Mar 13, 2020 16:20:50 GMT
The Jubilee line bum rests are really poor, completely fail as perches. Though they do fit two people. The best are those on the Overground trains - proper comfortable perches, though those aren't really wide enough for two.
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Post by bassmike on Mar 13, 2020 20:50:03 GMT
Tube trains are a lot more spacious when you're 5'5" on a good day! Agreed-- my family were all either test pilots for Airfix or hod-carriers for Lego. |
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Post by grumpycat on May 6, 2020 18:58:39 GMT
How long has it been since the pair were sent off and whats the current status.
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Post by goldenarrow on May 6, 2020 19:25:03 GMT
How long has it been since the pair were sent off and whats the current status. Since at least March 2019. The May edition of LURS states, "One train has the prototype traction package fitted, another with the internal layout changes and RVAR mods and another ready to be worked on." |
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Post by underover on May 6, 2020 19:52:30 GMT
All work on the 92TS has been halted on the TFL side of things due to this Covid-19.
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Post by grumpycat on Jul 7, 2020 1:57:56 GMT
Has tye refurbishment resumed or is the work still on hold?
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Post by underover on Jul 16, 2020 14:18:27 GMT
Has tye refurbishment resumed or is the work still on hold? Still on hold on the LU side, have heard a few dates flying around for resuming, but sounds like in the new year at the earliest (bar a few minor bits here and there) |
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