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Post by A60stock on Nov 9, 2018 19:27:45 GMT
Was on a fast chesham and the driver announced that due to the late running of the train, it would skip Wembley park and.........moor park. I have never heard of this occur in my 26 years of using the met. Does the met have some sort of special allowance that it can pick and choose where it skips (even those stations that all trains usually call at) stations like national rail!
Has this happened before at an unexpected station?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2018 20:02:01 GMT
It be down to the service control team it wouldn’t of been the drivers decision
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Post by spsmiler on Nov 9, 2018 20:33:48 GMT
I suspect that there was a time when Metropolitan trains did skip Moor Park. But even in the 1990's when I sometimes travelled on the trains that ran Finchley Road - Moor Park non-stop I never heard of them making their first stop at Rickmansworth (empty coaching stock journeys being a different issue). In those days even BR train called at Moor Park. I've got this on video... I'll try to get this on YouTube later this month.
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Post by roythebus on Nov 9, 2018 21:42:59 GMT
There were a couple of fast trains in the early 1970s that were Finchley Road and Ricky. I think the Chesham Belle (the though train to Aldgate) was one of those.That was when we had fast trains all day.
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Post by metman on Nov 10, 2018 1:07:30 GMT
The good old days!
Never heard of a non-stopping Moor Park train. Was there a problem with the station itself? Power supply or safety systems failure?
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Post by A60stock on Nov 10, 2018 18:13:40 GMT
Metman: Definitely no problem with the station, as there were people waiting on the platform for the train and the DMI at Moor Park platform 1 (i think this is the northbound fast) still advertised the train as "Chesham" instead of Not Stopping like they do at Wembley Park platform 1. Additionally, there was also a watford train which we passed which had called at the station as usual, so no problem with the station. The driver announced the reason as late running of this train when we were at baker street, so it was planned a while ahead!
District SOM: I know its not upto the driver but i did not realise you could pick a stop which is usually called at by all trains and skip it, it is literally like e.g. a bakerloo line train running late and saying we will skip Harlesden. Perhaps this can be done on the met due to station skipping being a regular practice, although i have never heard of a moor park skip in my 26 years of using the met!
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Post by MoreToJack on Nov 10, 2018 19:06:22 GMT
If you can give a time and date it might be possible to find out why this occurred.
It's unusual, but it isn't unheard of - but it certainly would't happen on any line other than the Met so far in advance (ad-hoc station skips are a frequent occurrence on all lines, but not for service recovery reasons).
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Post by kesmet on Nov 10, 2018 19:31:27 GMT
I was once on a Chiltern that did the 'reverse' of this - the train somewhat suddenly terminated at Moor Park (instead of non-stopping) due to a train failure. It really illustrated how badly laid out Moor Park is - having to descend, cross under the tracks, and then ascend to a different island platform set to continue travelling in the same direction is just bizarre!
However, it perhaps sheds some light - Chiltern trains non-stop at Moor Park on the fast lines all of the time, so having a Metropolitan train do it as well doesn't' sound quite so odd. And the signalling system(s) can clearly cope with that sort of occurrence, making this perhaps a sensible option for time recovery. I wonder if the train had originally been a stopper, would it simply have been sent on the fast lines and stopped as normal at Moor Park? But being a fast train, there's not so much room for time recovery (without terminating early somewhere).
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Post by norbitonflyer on Nov 10, 2018 21:59:28 GMT
having to descend, cross under the tracks, and then ascend to a different island platform set to continue travelling in the same direction is just bizarre! Not at all unusual where tracks are paired by use rather than by direction - see for instance Clapham Junction, East Croydon, Abbey Wood, Slough, Romford, St Albans. |
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Post by philthetube on Nov 10, 2018 22:16:59 GMT
It would not surprise me it this resulted from a misunderstanding between a driver and the controller.
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Post by A60stock on Nov 11, 2018 0:44:40 GMT
If you can give a time and date it might be possible to find out why this occurred. It's unusual, but it isn't unheard of - but it certainly would't happen on any line other than the Met so far in advance (ad-hoc station skips are a frequent occurrence on all lines, but not for service recovery reasons). On Friday 9th November. The train arrived at Harrow around 1900 to 1915. Can't remember exact time but hope this helps |
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Post by roythebus on Nov 11, 2018 21:21:05 GMT
Signalling on the Met Main line is set up with long overlaps in platforms as elsewhere used by main line stock. Trains can pass at line speed.
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Post by graeme186 on Dec 24, 2018 20:24:17 GMT
Without mentioning the service concerned, the Up Fast Aldgate I was travelling on from Rickmansworth this morning failed to stop at Moor Park Platform 2. Went through the station at line speed without any indication over the PA of a reason for the station skip. Perhaps the extremely light loadings this morning for an AM peak service was the reason!
As a regular commuter, last time I can recall this happening was in the early 90s when an Up Fast train I was travelling on was diverted to the Up Local Line at Watford South Junction and failed to stop at Moor Park. However, the Driver did stop at Northwood and than continued fast to Harrow.
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Post by metman on Dec 25, 2018 0:43:29 GMT
What did the DVA do? I was on an Aldgate Local last Thursday in the evening peak from Nth Harrow and it was changed at Harrow to a Fast Aldgate no doubt due to late running. The DVA wasn’t reset and cried out as far as Preston Road as we proceeded down the fast line until I assume the operator turned it off. It kicked into life at Finchley Road! The train did halt at Wembley Park to allow a Baker St local out although the driver expected the signal to proceed and didn’t get it!
Fun and games....
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Post by philthetube on Dec 25, 2018 5:04:54 GMT
Rarely Chiltern trains have stopped at Moor park when the MET has been severely disrupted, but they need station staff to assist with dispatch.
The dva would turn itself off, once it realised things were not going as expected, drivers do not have and option to turn it off apart from being able to tell it not to make approach announcements at the next station.
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Post by melikepie on Dec 25, 2018 9:51:38 GMT
Why did Chilterns trains stop serving Moooor Park?
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Post by Tubeboy on Dec 25, 2018 18:07:10 GMT
Why did Chilterns trains stop serving Moooor Park? Speed up the service, and also the locals complained about the 115s being noisy when they departed. |
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Post by A60stock on Dec 25, 2018 19:43:31 GMT
115s too noisy?! They may have been but the a stock was hardly any quieter before refurbishment!
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Post by mcmaddog on Dec 25, 2018 22:14:34 GMT
Why did Chilterns trains stop serving Moooor Park? Speed up the service, and also the locals complained about the 115s being noisy when they departed. I could’ve sworn that the non-stopping coincided with the 165 introduction |
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Post by A60stock on Dec 25, 2018 22:36:53 GMT
So did the 165s ever call at moor park on a timetabled basis or was the omission included just prior to them entering service?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Dec 26, 2018 7:13:55 GMT
So did the 165s ever call at moor park on a timetabled basis or was the omission included just prior to them entering service? According to Underground News a Timetable Notice came into effect on 8 July 1991 which eliminated Chiltern Line stopping at Moor Park, this was later incorporated into Metropolitan Line working timetable WTT295 from 28 October 1991. The first Chiltern Line cl.165s entered service via Harrow on Monday 2 December 1991. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 26, 2018 10:54:42 GMT
Was there a reason 165s couldn't stop at Moor Park although 115s could? Anything to do with train length?
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Post by goldenarrow on Dec 26, 2018 11:40:49 GMT
Was there a reason 165s couldn't stop at Moor Park although 115s could? Anything to do with train length? I don't think it had anything to do with train length as whats good enough for Harrow is good enough for all stations on the Mainline up to Amersham. I seem to recall someone mentioning issues with the platform stepping distance which made this and Rickmansworth of concern initially with the latter being resolved. |
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Post by philthetube on Dec 27, 2018 3:40:58 GMT
Was there a reason 165s couldn't stop at Moor Park although 115s could? Anything to do with train length? I don't think it had anything to do with train length as whats good enough for Harrow is good enough for all stations on the Mainline up to Amersham. I seem to recall someone mentioning issues with the platform stepping distance which made this and Rickmansworth of concern initially with the latter being resolved. Irrelevant to this discussion but Ricky has shorter platforms than stations north of there, not sure about Moor Park lengths though, I suspect same as Ricky. I was under the impression that they stopped serving Moor Park because of loadings, (really don't know where I get that from through). |
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Post by metman on Dec 27, 2018 15:58:16 GMT
I heard something similar regarding loadings. I also heard that so many cars were being parked up at Moor Park that the locals complained to get the service removed. I’m not sure how true that is as I doubt LT would change their timetable to suite a few locals!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 16:01:45 GMT
Some very rich locals with some influence around Moor Park
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Post by John Tuthill on Dec 27, 2018 17:00:16 GMT
Some very rich locals with some influence around Moor Park Hitting little balls into holes with their sticks  |
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Post by pitdiver on Dec 27, 2018 18:53:48 GMT
I also believe that the residents of the Moor Park estate own the stn. But as DistrictSOM says they have a lot of influence.
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Post by superteacher on Dec 28, 2018 9:05:45 GMT
I also believe that the residents of the Moor Park estate own the stn. But as DistrictSOM says they have a lot of influence. They should think themselves lucky that they only pay zone 6 fares despite being outside Greater London! I heard that the reason Chiltern ceased to stop was to do with the fact that peak trains were already overcrowded, and that the extra stop added to journey times at a time when Chiltern were trying to improve them. |
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Post by dagdave on Dec 28, 2018 9:42:58 GMT
My guess would be that as it was late running it may have had a Chiltern train behind it that would have been delayed had the Fast Chesham stopped at Moor Park. A penalty for that delay may have been avoided too.
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