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Post by louise on Jun 1, 2020 11:30:00 GMT
I am starting work for TFL via Capita this week, working from home. Would I still be able to claim for the 75% discount on National Rail journeys?
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Post by pitdiver on Jun 1, 2020 17:23:34 GMT
May I ask what makes you think you are entitled to the 75% Discount on National Rail
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Post by Tom on Jun 1, 2020 20:32:45 GMT
The 75% discount is a misnomer. It's not like the privilege fares for pre-1996 staff (which were 25% of the regular full fare), it's a refund of 75% of the cost of a full-fare, annual season ticket which is reimbursed over ten pay periods - which you are taxed on.
In reality it works out at approximately 50% off, but it's only given on one ticket type and is only available for (some) permanent employees of TfL. Staff employed under certain Terms and Conditions are not eligible, nor are those employed by third parties (such as Capita) on TfL work.
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Post by brigham on Jun 2, 2020 7:31:19 GMT
It looks as though a simple 'no' would have sufficed.
Nice to know the ins and outs of it all, though.
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Post by superteacher on Jun 2, 2020 9:07:20 GMT
It looks as though a simple 'no' would have sufficed.Nice to know the ins and outs of it all, though. If we all just gave one word answers, I doubt that we would learn much to be honest. Also, a simple "no" isn't very welcoming for a new member . . . |
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Post by North End on Jun 2, 2020 10:21:38 GMT
The 75% discount is a misnomer. It's not like the privilege fares for pre-1996 staff (which were 25% of the regular full fare), it's a refund of 75% of the cost of a full-fare, annual season ticket which is reimbursed over ten pay periods - which you are taxed on. In reality it works out at approximately 50% off, but it's only given on one ticket type and is only available for (some) permanent employees of TfL. Staff employed under certain Terms and Conditions are not eligible, nor are those employed by third parties (such as Capita) on TfL work. There are a couple of nuances to this, namely that those using the reimbursement scheme aren’t subject to the condition that they must give up their seat if other passengers are standing, which could be said to be worth paying a little more for (whether this condition is ever applied or enforced in practice is of course a matter for conjecture!). Then there’s some reciprocal agreements with certain TOCs who offer a 75% discounted season for their services only, in return their staff get some sort of deal for LU travel, though I forget what this actually is. This is open to post-96 staff only, and being a discounted ticket means no tax is payable. Again in theory users are required to give up their seat if others are standing. Recently PRIV daily tickets have become a little more useful with discounts being applicable to off-peak tickets as well as full-price ones. I hear this may be ending though, which will be a shame if true! |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jun 2, 2020 11:06:58 GMT
I hear this may be ending though, which will be a shame if true! Oh! 😵 I certainly hope not. |
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Post by philthetube on Jun 2, 2020 13:38:11 GMT
And me, I would have to invest in a senior railcard then.
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Post by brigham on Jun 2, 2020 15:21:00 GMT
It looks as though a simple 'no' would have sufficed.Nice to know the ins and outs of it all, though. If we all just gave one word answers, I doubt that we would learn much to be honest. Also, a simple "no" isn't very welcoming for a new member . . . Unlike "May I ask what makes you think you are entitled to the 75% Discount on National Rail", which is... |
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Post by Tom on Jun 2, 2020 16:05:22 GMT
Mod hat on...
Yes, I noticed that the tone of the reply prior to mine wasn't quite what I would have wanted to read if I'd posted the question either. However...
As a general observation, not related specifically to this thread - more than ever we're living increasingly isolated and distant lives, and it affects different people in different ways. It may simply be that the rude, accusatory, or terse reply you get to a post was just someone having a bad day and we need to remember that it happens. Likewise, without the benefit of facial expressions and tone something meant quite innocuously can easily be misinterpreted and lead to people taking offence when no malice was intended.
Please try to bear this in mind when you post - we're all here because of a shared interest, after all.
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Post by pitdiver on Jun 9, 2020 19:09:17 GMT
As I asked the first question "What makes you think etc" I must apologise for being somewhat curt in my style of questioning.
As a matter of interest as a retired PTAC holder I don't have to give up my seat. Sorry to all that do.
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Post by commuter on Jun 17, 2020 9:37:17 GMT
Recently PRIV daily tickets have become a little more useful with discounts being applicable to off-peak tickets as well as full-price ones. I hear this may be ending though, which will be a shame if true! Id be surprised if this was true...after all the “trial” was only Implemented and subsequently deemed a success because A.T.O.C (now rail delivery group) noticed takings actually increase, as formerly many staff would (unofficially) let fellow staff off of paying, but since the price was reduced, more tickets ended up getting sold. |
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Post by North End on Jun 17, 2020 11:52:04 GMT
Id be surprised if this was true...after all the “trial” was only Implemented and subsequently deemed a success because A.T.O.C (now rail delivery group) noticed takings actually increase, as formerly many staff would (unofficially) let fellow staff off of paying, but since the price was reduced, more tickets ended up getting sold. It seems that since I posted that some stuff has appeared intimating that the arrangement is indeed to continue. Perhaps it was some rather than all TOCs agitating. |
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Post by philthetube on Jun 17, 2020 13:06:19 GMT
Happy days
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Post by North End on Jun 17, 2020 15:58:37 GMT
Of course at the moment there’s quite a bit of debate going on as to whether such facilities can be used, which is an interesting discussion as safeguarded staff facilities have some element of legal protection. Some TOCs are currently saying PRIV can only be used for emergencies. No problem of course if one fancies a journey to test one’s eyesight. I have made a couple of very short local journeys in the last week which whilst non-essential were also not for leisure purposes. On both cases when discussed with staff at my local station I was simply told not to bother paying at all. |
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Post by Chris L on Jun 17, 2020 17:31:35 GMT
A long long time ago when I worked for LT I was going out with a girl who lived near Romford. Regular train trips were involved.
In those days return privs were valid for a month and were printed on card - half outward/half return.
The trick was to buy one from each end and cut both in half.
Whenever the halves were checked they were never punched and always returned with a smile.
The same was true with the annual free ticket in my entitlement. You selected two distant stations which allowed travel several times over.
All before ticket gates.
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Post by pgb on Jun 18, 2020 7:35:39 GMT
Some TOCs are currently saying PRIV can only be used for emergencies. I think the Rail Staff Travel site is the one that gives the information - I wouldn't have thought that an individual TOC could make their own rules up. RST state "we ask you not to use them". It is nice though that the 'Off Peak' agreement is still going on. Amazing how it brings a cost of a ticket from North Wales to London down from about £80 to just £25. |
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