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Post by metroland on Aug 16, 2022 14:00:53 GMT
Can anyone please tell me if F Class locos were left hand drive or right hand?
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gantshill
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Post by gantshill on Aug 17, 2022 21:52:11 GMT
I looked at Metropolitan Steam Locomotives, Frank Goudie, 1990. It states that the F class were very similar to the E class without saying if they were LHD or RHD. The chapter on the E class doesn't say if they are LHD or RHD. So sadly, I can't answer your question.
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Post by metroland on Aug 18, 2022 8:08:49 GMT
Thanks for trying anyway.
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Post by bruce on Aug 18, 2022 8:47:12 GMT
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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 18, 2022 8:54:21 GMT
They were LHD. Enlarging the picture it is just possible to make out the motorman in the left hand side of the cab. Have your wires crossed unfortunately, thread is about F Class steam locos. |
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Post by d7666 on Aug 18, 2022 13:59:45 GMT
Spooky.
Kettles are not my thing, but I do look through old stuff, you tube etc, came across this only a few weeks ago :
Starts with stills, but when you get into the movie bit, is there enough there to see into L52 e.g. at about 3 min into the video, and later ?
Or maybe you found it anyway ?
w w w . y o u t u b e . c o m / w a t c h ? v = M _ R R 3 w V W 8 B c
remove the spaces !
If that don't work it's title is "Silent Steam Episode 3 - Metropolitan 'F' Class No 93 / L 52"
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Post by spsmiler on Aug 18, 2022 14:37:18 GMT
I hope this is OK with everyone, I got the film to embed so that we can watch it here.
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Post by t697 on Aug 18, 2022 14:38:40 GMT
Good find with the video. RHD then. Can you imagine trying to do modern signal sighting exercises with that! Good link to the Aldgate photo as well. I hadn't realised how much change there has been there too. Presumably almost immediately after that photo, to fit in 8 car A stock without having to cut out multiple doors.
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Post by metroland on Aug 18, 2022 16:12:44 GMT
Thanks d7666 and spsmiler, I knew someone on here would deliver!
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Post by d7666 on Aug 18, 2022 19:20:34 GMT
Thanks d7666 and spsmiler, I knew someone on here would deliver! You have to thank sheer luck for my contribution; I happened across that you tube video in a general random surf through traction videos, and that one came up in the suggested list. |
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Post by shunterl44 on Aug 19, 2022 11:37:09 GMT
Not sure if it helps but I have driven E Class Met 1 on and off LT metals and it is most definitly right hand drive.
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Post by spsmiler on Aug 19, 2022 13:17:57 GMT
Thanks d7666 and spsmiler, I knew someone on here would deliver! Thank you for your thanks It was not at all difficult, all I had to do was close the gaps plus add https:// to get the url to work. Normally when you watch a YouTube film this information is not shown in the website address bar, but it is added if you copy the address from there and paste it somewhere else. When creating a message here at DD you will often see a row of icons about the window in to which the messages is typed. The last group of icons includes a film 'clapperboard' symbol and clicking this will open a dialogue box where you can paste the website address (url code). Hope this helps, Simon |
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Post by spsmiler on Aug 19, 2022 13:19:31 GMT
Can you imagine trying to do modern signal sighting exercises with that!. Maybe in those days signals were always placed on the right - where the train driver would be able to see them? |
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Post by t697 on Aug 19, 2022 14:57:29 GMT
I think the electric trains all had the driver on the left though. Signal sighting principles weren't as tight I suspect. On a loco, the fireman was expected to do some of it too from the other side, based on instruction from the driver. Hence the importance of route knowledge to know where to expect signals.
And alas the accident records from history are full of signal overruns.
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Post by billbedford on Aug 20, 2022 8:14:45 GMT
Can you imagine trying to do modern signal sighting exercises with that!. Maybe in those days signals were always placed on the right - where the train driver would be able to see them? Actually, drivers had to start braking so far away from an adverse signal, that the signal would usually be visible which ever side of the track it was placed. This was even true on locos with much larger boilers than a F class. Can anyone please tell me if F Class locos were left hand drive or right hand? There are two indications of the driving side of steam locos: 1. The reversing rod is on the driver's side, though this is not usually visible on tank locos. 2. On locos fitted with vacuum brakes, there is a pipe from the driver's side of the cab to the smokebox along the upper part of the boiler. This takes the exhaust steam from the vacuum ejector. But of course there are exceptions to both these markers. Mod note [Antharro]: posts merged |
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roythebus
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Post by roythebus on Aug 29, 2022 22:19:00 GMT
Remember the goods trains hauled by these locos were unbraked, stopping the train relied on the loco brake and the guard's handbrake in the brake van! I used to have the works drawing for the F class as I produced a cast metal kit for it many years ago.
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Post by roythebus on Nov 15, 2022 1:49:36 GMT
Thinking about the question, it would have been right hand drive going one way, left hand drive going the other way!
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Post by brigham on Nov 15, 2022 8:58:28 GMT
Thinking about the question, it would have been right hand drive going one way, left hand drive going the other way! Not the case. The 'sides' of a locomotive are defined as 'facing the front', as on a ship, not 'facing the direction of travel'. The 'driver's side' is the side on which the driving controls are placed; either 'left-hand drive' or 'right-hand drive' respectively. This confuses railway modellers where Bulleid's 'Leader' class is concerned. The prototype is left-hand drive, but modellers insist on placing the driver's position on the right of the rear cab. It isn't. It's on the same side as the front cab; the left, or 'driver's side'. I'm not sure which is the 'front' of a double Fairlie. It's normally the 'smokebox end'! |
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Post by d7666 on Nov 15, 2022 16:12:13 GMT
Thinking about the question, it would have been right hand drive going one way, left hand drive going the other way! Not the case. The 'sides' of a locomotive are defined as 'facing the front', as on a ship, not 'facing the direction of travel'. The 'driver's side' is the side on which the driving controls are placed; either 'left-hand drive' or 'right-hand drive' respectively. Not always the case. BR SR class 33 and 73. Both have duplicated controls on left and right sides equally at both ends i.e. 4 sets of controls per loco. This is relevant to LU since 33s (or a 33 per recent-ish TC workings) operate(d) over LU tracks indeed over Met. routes. OK, so that is an exception to prove a rule, and non-kettle. Nonetheless, sweeping statements announcing definitions can always be challenged. What may be correct in one world is not necessarily correct elsewhere. |
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Post by brigham on Nov 15, 2022 17:14:27 GMT
Sorry, I don't include 'alternative technology' traction devices in the definition. |
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