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Post by afarlie on Dec 5, 2007 20:04:39 GMT
Given the experts and pundits on this forum ..
Would there be any reasonable business case for restoration of the Carlton Road Spur, and electrification of the Gospel Oak- Barking Line?
Restoration of the spur would open up N/W London to Thameslink as
well as linking the Thames Gateway to the Eurostar terminal more directly than at present..
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Post by cetacean on Dec 5, 2007 21:24:52 GMT
Most of the areas served by the Goblin also have decent radial links - especially the Victoria Line and the H&C. So I don't think it provides much in the way of benefits, especially as it means going a long way round. The status quo of having it as a local line makes more sense.
Where would trains from the Goblin go? I don't think there's enough capacity to send them through the central Thameslink section, as the ECML and MML services will easily eat up all the slots there.
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Post by Tubeboy on Dec 9, 2007 20:54:04 GMT
The most recent study [2006] which was a government/TFL backed one is that the costs far outweigh the benefits produced.
I agree electrification would be a good idea, not just the local service but electrically hauled freight as well.
There was a plan about 15 years ago, to electrify it as far as Blackhorse Road, but ideally Barking and construct a spur from it to the Lea Valley line at Tottenham Hale, this would have provided a Heathrow-Stanstead service, via Acton Wells, Dudding Hill, West Hampstead and South Tottenham..........never got off the ground.......for the same reason...............costs outweigh benefits.
New class 172 DMUs will be introduced in the near future. So the line will be diesel worked for a while yet.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2007 21:44:15 GMT
The same fate that befalls Lea Bridge every so often...
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Post by johnb on Dec 10, 2007 17:42:53 GMT
The most recent study [2006] which was a government/TFL backed one is that the costs far outweigh the benefits produced. Cite? I thought that the Network Rail RUS basically shelved the question rather than running a B/CA - and I'm fairly sure TfL still aspires to get the GOBLIN electrified sooner rather than later. 'xcept that there's already a nationwide shortage of DMUs and the 14x Pacers will need to be scrapped in a few years, so there'll be no problem finding a new home for 172s if electrification does happen... |
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Post by happybunny on Dec 10, 2007 17:48:32 GMT
There is a users group website for this line, and on it they give details of benefits/reasons of electrification. The website is www.barking-gospeloak.org.uk/ but they seem to concentrate on overhead lines. For the benefit of passenger services, isn't it less expensive to upgrade to third rail electrification? This would still enable TfL to run the Barking - Clapham service they wish to. |
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Post by cetacean on Dec 10, 2007 19:32:26 GMT
The official policy is that 25KV AC overhead is the way forward for all lines in this country - in fact new third rail installations are banned as unsafe for staff and the public (though an exception is made for extending existing third rail systems). Add to that there are already 2 sections of overhead on the Goblin (at South Tottenham and Barking) and the NLL at Gospel Oak is overhead only, and it's pretty obvious third rail is a non-starter.
(and third rail may even be more expensive as you need more substations for low voltage DC)
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