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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2005 20:00:42 GMT
I noticed the other day that the roof on the sheds at Wembley Park has been removed!
Are the sheds being demolished or refurbished? Will they _finally_ be brought back into use to provide additional stabling space for the Met, which has little space otherwise (notwithstanding Neasden, of course...)?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2005 20:02:30 GMT
I noticed the other day that the roof on the sheds at Wembley Park has been removed! They can't be removed, as said before they are listed. Unless they have been de-listed, can that happen? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2005 20:23:07 GMT
I noticed the other day that the roof on the sheds at Wembley Park has been removed! They can't be removed, as said before they are listed. Unless they have been de-listed, can that happen? It must be so, because the roof was stripped to a bare skeleton... |
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Post by piccadillypilot on Sept 13, 2005 20:27:42 GMT
Unless they have been de-listed, can that happen? Yes. It's a common fallacy that because a structure is listed that it can't be demolished or altered. What listing does is provide an additional level of statutory protection for the property and if a sufficiently good case is made and accepted then the alteration can proceed. |
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Post by citysig on Sept 14, 2005 9:34:06 GMT
They can't be removed, as said before they are listed. Unless they have been de-listed, can that happen? Let's hope they've been de-listed then, because there ain't much left of 'em! The plan is to demolish them. Then remove one of the siding roads and spread the other four out (due to today's clearance rules they are currently too close together). They will then be put back to use as "open" sidings. Meanwhile, the connection between the southbound fast road and Neasden depot - removed many years ago - is being re-instated. A move which has prompted several of us to wonder where that flash of common sense came from  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2005 10:25:46 GMT
The plan is to demolish them. Then remove one of the siding roads and spread the other four out (due to today's clearance rules they are currently too close together). They will then be put back to use as "open" sidings. "open" == "when it's p***ing down with rain, snow and beer bottles, the T/Op will be a jolly good mood as he trudges to a train"..... Meanwhile, the connection between the southbound fast road and Neasden depot - removed many years ago - is being re-instated. A move which has prompted several of us to wonder where that flash of common sense came from ZOMG!!! How much more useful would it be to the service to be able to tip out at platform 6 and go straight on shed from Neasden North? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2005 13:16:05 GMT
It must be so, because the roof was stripped to a bare skeleton... The are not being removed, they are being rebuilt as the walls had some "weak areas" |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2005 0:48:53 GMT
Rumours abound with regard to the future prospects here to be honest. From what I've heard the shed will be demolished, but the existing building with toilets/showers/messroom etc to the north of the site will remain or be rebuilt. One of the strangest rumours I've heard is that a new track will be laid behind Platform 6 into Neasden Depot, removing the closest road to the SB fast in the sheds in the process. Hmmm....  |
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Post by citysig on Sept 16, 2005 8:38:58 GMT
The are not being removed, they are being rebuilt as the walls had some "weak areas" The smaller building(s) may be rebuilt, but the sheds will be no more. One of the strangest rumours I've heard is that a new track will be laid behind Platform 6 into Neasden Depot, removing the closest road to the SB fast in the sheds in the process. Hmmm.... No, that's just a rumour. As I said.... The sheds will be removed. The roads will be spread out, reducing the sidings to 4 instead of the current 5 - this will comply with current safety standards. The main from platform 6 will be joined directly to the depot road, therefore it will no longer be necessary to pass onto the local road for a few feet and then turn off for the depot. Moves to the depot from Platform 6 can therefore happen at the same time as southbound departures from Platform 5. This will be very handy at times, and may increase early stabling for some trains - a measure which I am sure will be welcomed by some here |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2005 23:08:51 GMT
The main from platform 6 will be joined directly to the depot road, therefore it will no longer be necessary to pass onto the local road for a few feet and then turn off for the depot. Moves to the depot from Platform 6 can therefore happen at the same time as southbound departures from Platform 5. This will be very handy at times, and may increase early stabling for some trains - a measure which I am sure will be welcomed by some here Yes indeed, any early stabling of trains will certainly be welcomed by "some here"!! ;D ;D Just so's you all know what we're talking about, Mr Citysig has already been kind enough to organise an 'early stable' for me on at least one occasion! This proposed direct connection to Neasden Depot from Platform 6 at Wembley Park will eliminate the many (though usually minor) delays to trains running via Platform 5 that currently occur when an empty train is being worked into depot from Platform 6. It will improve flexibility and should have been installed many years ago IMHO. |
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Post by citysig on Sept 18, 2005 12:03:40 GMT
Just so's you all know what we're talking about, Mr Citysig has already been kind enough to organise an 'early stable' for me on at least one occasion! I thought we weren't going to mention that again. There are more signallers here to see I might have helped a train op. I will have to clear out my locker on Monday now ;D And what do you mean "on at least one occasion." To my mind it was one occasion. Anything else was pure luck and not in any way intended ;D |
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Post by Chris M on Sept 18, 2005 15:03:20 GMT
And what do you mean "on at least one occasion." To my mind it was one occasion. Anything else was pure luck and not in any way intended ;D Sounds to me like you might be talking yourself out of some free alcohol there Chris |
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Post by citysig on Sept 19, 2005 12:43:25 GMT
Sounds to me like you might be talking yourself out of some free alcohol there Chris Free alcohol for any other task is welcomed. However, when it's in relation to a signalman helping train crew out - especially when said help results in them having more time to consume alchohol - is not looked upon very kindly |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2005 23:12:37 GMT
Having been through Wembley Park SB Fast today (and held at the inner home for a late departure on the local) I can report that all the trackwork in the former Shed now seems to have been lifted.... Rails?? What rails?? ;D PS. Perhaps I should keep schtum about any 'help' I might get from someone at the Baker St SCC in future! |
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Post by citysig on Sept 22, 2005 13:57:38 GMT
PS. Perhaps I should keep schtum about any 'help' I might get from someone at the Baker St SCC in future! What time? If it was after 1900hrs then it had nothing to do with me. The local line priority thing is programmed in, and will always happen just as we notice it doing it and try to step in. The machine will always give priority to passenger trains - even if they are slightly early. By the way it wasn't you at GPS earlier in the evening? The driver was staring into the camera - as if he knew we were watching, which we were (and knew it was there - not too many drivers realise it, but maybe word is getting round). Then as he left he smiled at us. Bit disconcerting ;D But yes, keep schtum ;D |
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Post by q8 on Sept 22, 2005 16:07:12 GMT
See. they can't even trust you now in the cab!! (not the signal guys) Perhaps they think you are going to nick bits of the precious plastic rubbish for use in the kitchen.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2005 22:01:10 GMT
PS. Perhaps I should keep schtum about any 'help' I might get from someone at the Baker St SCC in future! What time? If it was after 1900hrs then it had nothing to do with me. The local line priority thing is programmed in, and will always happen just as we notice it doing it and try to step in. The machine will always give priority to passenger trains - even if they are slightly early. By the way it wasn't you at GPS earlier in the evening? The driver was staring into the camera - as if he knew we were watching, which we were (and knew it was there - not too many drivers realise it, but maybe word is getting round). Then as he left he smiled at us. Bit disconcerting ;D But yes, keep schtum ;D In that case I may have just got lucky once or twice. It probably has something to do with the long 'stand' time at Harrow for some trains. Like Set 471, which arrives SB at 19 22 and is booked to depart empty at 1929. If the tip-out is quick and clean (and the Harrow signalman pulls off early) it's possible to reach Wembley by 19 28. Set 434 is booked to depart (passenger) at 19 26 and, if it's on time, Pete UXB happily goes to depot (6 mins early) right behind it! OK, 6 mins might not sound like much. But add a further 10 mins cos I've caught a train that I'd otherwise have missed, and I'm in the pub home 16 mins earlier. No, it wasn't me at GPS yesterday - but I made up for it today (Fri 23rd). At 19 28 on Set 467 to Amersham, I smiled and gave a thumbs-up to the camera! ;D |
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Post by citysig on Sept 24, 2005 11:00:26 GMT
In that case I may have just got lucky once or twice. OK, 6 mins might not sound like much. But add a further 10 mins cos I've caught a train that I'd otherwise have missed, and I'm in the pub home 16 mins earlier. No, it wasn't me at GPS yesterday - but I made up for it today (Fri 23rd). At 19 28 on Set 467 to Amersham, I smiled and gave a thumbs-up to the camera! ;D Sometimes, as the advert with the dog says, "That was more than lucky!" As much as the historical rivalry is still there, if we notice an early stabler we will normally try and help. The less trains out on the main, the less we have to worry about. If you should take the p*** on your northbound trip though, rest assured we have a list of the pick-ups and will know if you're still on it!! 6 minutes, 4 minutes, even 2 minutes. It's all good Unfortunately, I wasn't on yesterday. Had I seen you, I would have waved back and cleared the distant ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2005 23:49:01 GMT
Yup, I did get the feeling that it was 'more than lucky' on several occasions! Cleared the distant?? -- I liked that!!! ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2005 0:17:12 GMT
A further update..... I have never seen anything of this size demolished so quickly on LUL property. Car Sheds? -- What Car Sheds??  |
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Post by citysig on Oct 1, 2005 12:03:07 GMT
A further update..... I have never seen anything of this size demolished so quickly on LUL property. Car Sheds? -- What Car Sheds?? Well, I think it's partly to do with the fact that there wasn't much holding them up and would have fallen down anyway given time, and partly that it's not LU or any of the infracos doing the work ;D |
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