Unusual Piccadilly DVA Destinations

[Christopher J]

Hi gang,

This happened a few weeks ago but I forgot to post it, so here goes.

I was on the Picc a few weeks ago and the ‘Run Through’ announcement was playing, I happened to hear that Eailing Broadway and High St. Ken are listed in the DVA on the 73TS.

Why would the 73TS need these announcements? I’ve never known a Picc to run to High St. Ken or Eailing Broadway in service, even if it took a wrong stick which made it end up on District territory, so what’s the point in having them?

Cheers.
Christopher

[Deleted]

Well there was the Ealing Broadway special for a football match once, the thread is around here somewhere (cue Colin), and more recently there's been rumours of the Picc giving Uxbridge to the District and taking Ealing Broadway so more trains can be sent to Heathrow for T5.

As for High Street Ken, I'm stumped! Not a reversing siding around that area by chance?

[gabriel]

biolizard said:

Well there was the Ealing Broadway special for a football match once, the thread is around here somewhere (cue Colin), and more recently there's been rumours of the Picc giving Uxbridge to the District and taking Ealing Broadway so more trains can be sent to Heathrow for T5.

As for High Street Ken, I'm stumped! Not a reversing siding around that area by chance?

Isn't there triangle sidings at High St Kensington?

[Deleted]

they used to run to west ken in the morning for i believe only one train then reversed back going west

[Deleted]

triangle sidings in between earls court and high st ken but i dont think a 73ts would fit as a c stock bearly fits

[Tomcakes]

There are IIRC codes for Aldwych (99), HSK (65), Earls' Court District(64) ,and West Ken (63) in addition to all the Picc destinations.

199 would be an interesting code to push in (This is Aldwych ;D)

[marty]

Well I´ve posted two funny Pic destination already, but this list from my collegue that he just sent me (he travels on the Picc everey day) beats it!!!

dot-matrix display : Arnos Grove
This is a Picadilly Line train to UXBRIDGE.

dot-matrix display : Uxbridge
This is a Picadilly Line Train to HEATHROW AIRPORT
(driver announcing This is a train to rayners Lane)

dot-matrix display : Heathrow Airport
This is a Picadilly Line Train to COCKFOSTERS
(driver: This is a train to Uxbridge, eventually went to Northfields (tipped out due to Motor Shoe blablasomething))

dot-matrix display : Hillingdon/Uxbridge
Train: Rayners lane
Inside: This is a Train to HEATHROW AIRPORT

seniorpiccdriver - WHAT IS THIS ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Colin]

We've answered the opposite direction ones in this thread

As for those in the same direction:
The dot matrix indicators on the platforms get their information from the train descriptions used by the signalling system. The signalling system can, for various reasons, 'pick up' the wrong train and show it incorrectly. Another reason may be that the train has been diverted or reversed short of it's original destination. The dot matrix indicators / signalling system can only be altered at certain select locations - with the driver being informed at a different location.

Those are generally the most likely reasons.


BTW - on a slightly related point, it's all well and good pointing out these errors but did your friend ever say anything to the driver?
To the forum at large - does anybody ever point out errors to drivers?
I ask because since we've had more refurbished D stocks in service, i've had occasions on 'older' trains where i've forgotten to change the blind - I even made it to Embankment once with Ealing Bdy on the front (going east) ;D ;D ;D

[Deleted]

I was getting the bus to work one day and noticed when we arrived at the Town Centre, that the blind read the place that we had just been to, so when I alighted I asked the female driver if she knew that it was wrong. The reply was "Do you want a job or something?"

[Tomcakes]

colin said:

BTW - on a slightly related point, it's all well and good pointing out these errors but did your friend ever say anything to the driver?
To the forum at large - does anybody ever point out errors to drivers?
I ask because since we've had more refurbished D stocks in service, i've had occasions on 'older' trains where i've forgotten to change the blind - I even made it to Embankment once with Ealing Bdy on the front (going east) ;D ;D ;D

I've never seen it myself, but up north if you point something out to a train or bus driver you are told to shove off...

[Phil]

tombeevers said:

I've never seen it myself, but up north if you point something out to a train or bus driver you are told to shove off...

Ahh, that's probably a result of being a teenager, rather than one of 'mature years'.

[swt458]

That kind of thing happens quite a bit on the Northern line, like when arriving at Waterloo, it thinks its arriving at Edgeware and then changes to the correct line?

Although i have never seen it on the picadilly line... maybe once it happened but i cannot remember exact details

[Deleted]

colin said:

We've answered the opposite direction ones in this thread


To the forum at large - does anybody ever point out errors to drivers?
I ask because since we've had more refurbished D stocks in service, i've had occasions on 'older' trains where i've forgotten to change the blind - I even made it to Embankment once with Ealing Bdy on the front (going east) ;D ;D ;D

I once - with my heart in my mouth, being a mere passenger customer - ponted out to an E/B District driver at Earl's Court that he had a W/B destination "on the front" - he was very grateful, thankfully - you guys don't need to me go into the reaction I usually get from bus drivers in comparable circumstances

[CSLR]

I once stopped alongside a police car at the traffic lights and pointed out that one of his brake lights was not working. I like to think that the expression on the driver's face was one of surprise.

[Deleted]

Personally I'd be grateful for anyone pointing it out to me before I embarrass myself any further. I've made the mistake of having the wrong destination on the front a few times, but only once was it pointed out to me by a passenger (at Gunnersbury going east with Richmond displayed).

Drivers coming the other way will often point to try and make you realise what you've done.

[Tomcakes]

Is there some way of doing this? Like drivers will tap their heads to colleagues if their headlights are awray.

[prjb]

On the SSR where you still wind the blind around manually (except 'D' stock refurb) you just imitate turning the blind with your free hand. You end up looking like your doing an impression of the Queen! ;D

[Chris M]

I wouldn't be suprised if that lasts into the refurb era - the gesture to a car driver/passenger to wind their window down has remained the same despite the introduction of electric windows!

[prjb]

You are probably right. Lets face it the railway has lots of unique practices and terminology which is so out of date that we don't know where some of it even came from in the first place!

[Hutch]

awkward42 said:

the gesture to a car driver/passenger to wind their window down has remained the same despite the introduction of electric windows!

and

Lets face it the railway has lots of unique practices and terminology which is so out of date that we don't know where some of it even came from in the first place!

Question to child in Hutch household:- "Did you pull the chain?"

[prjb]

Same here! ;D

[Deleted]

Just a quickie. I asked Tubelines, last Friday, about the DVA and the only addition to the present ones is Terminal 5.

[Deleted]

Oh - so it's being added then, for certain? ( The DVA ? )

[Deleted]

38 units already have it and it will go live when the remainder are fitted. I think the quote was, "By the end of the year." I can only presume they mean this year.

[prjb]

I understand that the Instructor Operators are going to be walking the loop in the near future, in preperation for road training duties when the Heathrow section is due to re-open.

[Deleted]

Wednesday 30th August for 10 or 11 I/O's who will lead the training for the remaining I/O's who will have the comfort of driving instead of walking during "Trial-Ops" which will take place during engineering hours. The loop will be open for passenger service on the 17th September.

[Oracle]

Do I take it that when said loop re-opens there will be at least one late night run to T123 and back direct per day as before? I know I asked why this was done a short while back but am not certain if I asked this dumb question?

[Chris M]

If it is done it will presumably be a rusty-rail move.
Given that the tracks will be used in both directions when T5 opens it would be silly not to maintain the rails and route knowledge

[Colin]

oracle said:

Do I take it that when said loop re-opens there will be at least one late night run to T123 and back direct per day as before? I know I asked why this was done a short while back but am not certain if I asked this dumb question?

There was a very simple reason for this - T4 closed early (something like 2345), so once closed, trains went direct from Hatton Cross to T123. Presumably the same arrangement will be in place once the loop re-opens.

[Oracle]

I would have thought that a broken down train in the loop could easily be dealt with by the Thin Controller by sending units to T123 and back? Will be interested to see the new timetable when it comes out.