South Harrow Sidings

[gabriel]

Just before you pull into Sth Harrow on the westbound, you pass the sidings. in the sidings there is a train covered all over in grafitti. it doesn't look like a 73 stock, but does anyone know what it is, and why it's there. it has been there since early feb at least.

(I will try and get some pics as soon as i have my camera up and running

[Deleted]

its 83 stock off the old Jubilee. Theres some of the same stock at Cockfosters and Uxbridge.

It's been at South 'arrer for a lot longer than since February... a few years maybe.

[Ben]

Not at Uxbridge anymore; I passed through today! Does anyone know what day and time it went, how it went, and if there are any pics of it actually going?

Many thanks.

[Deleted]

benedict said:

Not at Uxbridge anymore; I passed through today! Does anyone know what day and time it went, how it went, and if there are any pics of it actually going?

It left, via road last weekend. On saturday (29th July) if i remember correctly. A friend of mine told me about it, as his parents got caught up in a traffic jam, that it caused!

When they became redundant after the introduction of the 96ts, they were dumped into sidings on the picc, as it was planned to have them refurbished and put onto an Uxbridge to Acton shuttle. If they had done that, it would have meant changing at Acton town for a train to central london, that is, if you lived on the Uxbridge branch of the Picc.

[Harsig]

benedict said:

Not at Uxbridge anymore; I passed through today! Does anyone know what day and time it went, how it went, and if there are any pics of it actually going?

Many thanks.

The train in Uxbridge sidings was lifted out by crane on Sunday 30th July. I happened to go into Uxbridge that morning and happened to see the first car hanging in mid air. I thought of going home to get my camera but in the end I couldn't be bothered.

[Deleted]

Glad I got this photo when I did back in late May of the 83TS at Uxbridge
www.flickr.com/photos/stephenk1977/152688996/in/set-1617237/

As far as I know it's very difficult for the public to get half decent photos of the other surviving 83TS.

[bobbybrakedust]

i did hear a rumour that they were left in the sidings on purpose
so that the vandals would get to them

because they were sposed to go to the picc but no one could drive them,and the evening standard was poised to expose the wasted money in scrapping the trains when lul found out noone on the picc knew how to drive them they dumped them???so they left them there to rot until the heat was off and so damaged it wouldnt be worth refurbing them???
they been there 5 years+ to my knowledge

how true it is i dont know

[DWS]

bobbybrakedust said:

i did hear a rumour that they were left in the sidings on purpose
so that the vandals would get to them

because they were sposed to go to the picc but no one could drive them,and the evening standard was poised to expose the wasted money in scrapping the trains when lul found out noone on the picc knew how to drive them they dumped them???so they left them there to rot until the heat was off and so damaged it wouldnt be worth refurbing them???
they been there 5 years+ to my knowledge

how true it is i dont know

If no one could drive them, how did the get to the place where they are now ;D

[bobbybrakedust]

test train drivers

no one on the picc could driver them as there jub stock

[Tomcakes]

If... hypothetically, there was an 83ts needing to be moved to South Harrow or wherever, and there was a Picc T'Op spare who had 83ts stock training, would he be allowed to do it?

[Colin]

No - on the basis that drivers must have their stock knowledge refreshed every 12 months; those trains have been out of service for much longer than that.

[bobbybrakedust]

wonder if the same applys to the test train mob ?

good question that ???how do you move a jub stock without using a crane ?

[Tom]

Well, as the Test Crews are still qualified on 38 and 62TS, who knows?

[Deleted]

Aren't there still a couple of 83's at Oakwood Depot, Cockfosters End?

[bobbybrakedust]

yeah.. they are on the old test track round the back of the carriage sheds, been there donkeys years .
i did hear from one of the shunters that nobody dare go near them as there are druggies and homeless people living in the cars and the floors and seats are full of used needles and drug taking gear ... weird ha !!

[DWS]

bobbybrakedust said:

yeah.. they are on the old test track round the back of the carriage sheds, been there donkeys years .
i did hear from one of the shunters that nobody dare go near them as there are druggies and homeless people living in the cars and the floors and seats are full of used needles and drug taking gear ... weird ha !!

Cockfosters Depot does not have a test track

[bobbybrakedust]

it bloody does

it runs from the platform at oakwood round the back of the car sheds and up to the cock end of the depot.
if your still having trouble finding it, its the road with the jubilee line stocks sitting on it ...lol ;D

[william]

bobbybrakedust said:

there are druggies and homeless people living in the cars

I find that hard to believe.

[bobbybrakedust]

well thats what i heard i agree its hard to believe however
when you take the following into account.
from when i was on the picc at arnos grove
one thing that was a constant issue was security at oakwood depot
there was nowt stopping you walking into the depot from the platform or most of the time the main gate key fob thingy was busted, so the gate was left wide open
any tom dick and harry could walk in when ever they fancied it ...

there used to be pway in the end building by the main gate
and ive seen them jam the gate open with a shovel because they where in and out all the time and sick of fobbing the gate

its only recently that the gate at arnos grove depot was fixed and people forced to use fobs
i was there 2 years and the gate was wide open for all of it
in fact i never had a fob!!!

so it could be possible to gain access to the trains easy enough so why not
nobody ever needs to go on to one of them 80s trains so god knows what goes on onboard them
the main thing is "nobody cares " so its the perfect place to shoot up when you think about it??

[robots]

The test road in Cockfosters depot is indeed on the

west side of the cleaning sheds A , B and C . It is capable

of taking 2 trains, though normally only one train is stabled

on there . However it does not continue through the north

sheds so the redundant 83's are not technically on the

test road .

The story about the `squatters ' living in the trains

is an urban myth I ' m afraid. Depot security remains an

issue however , apparently one driver when signing in at

Northfields depot noticed that the 3 previous people to

sign the register were Mr Osama a Mr Bin followed by

a Mr Laden !

[bobbybrakedust]

thanks for the info on the myth, i thought it was a bit far fetched but wasnt going to find out by going over there

its a bloody farce the security, are we safe picking up trains
should we not fire the security firm and get a good one?
like a police sentry or armed responce team with balistic helmets and attack dogs

yes if you want to split hairs you are correct but for the ease of explanation i refered to it as the test rd.....

cheers
brakedust

[william]

bobbybrakedust said:

its a bloody farce the security, are we safe picking up trains
should we not fire the security firm and get a good one?
like a police sentry or armed responce team with balistic helmets and attack dogs

Wishful thinking mate

[yellowsignal]

tom said:

Well, as the Test Crews are still qualified on 38 and 62TS, who knows?

How do these drivers qualify? Do they drive these stocks in the various engineering trains (weedkiller/adhesion etc.)?

[Colin]

When we talk of drivers being stock qualified, we really mean knowledge of how the train works, and how to rectify faults (if possible) to keep it moving. Part of the knowledge of how the train works is knowing how to drive it - whilst it is obviously useful to be able to actually drive a given stock, it's not actually required to get the paperwork.

[Ben]

Is there anyone out there who held this for the standard stock?

[CSLR]

benedict said:

Is there anyone out there who held this for the standard stock?

Are you asking if people were stock trained on standard stock or if there is anyone in this forum who was qualified to drive it?
Either way, the answer is yes.

[Tomcakes]

They'd have to have been around for a while then - since the last Standard Stock was withdrawn in the 60's, have to have started before then (say 50's), so I suppose it's not entirely out of the realms of possibility.

[Ben]

The last standards were withdrawn from the engineering fleet in the late 80's, and the last in passenger service on the tube in 1983/4 (the ones with the 1960ts dms which, incidently were given a refurbishment less than a month before withdrawl)

[edb]

benedict said:

The last standards were withdrawn from the engineering fleet in the late 80's, and the last in passenger service on the tube in 1983/4 (the ones with the 1960ts dms which, incidently were given a refurbishment less than a month before withdrawl)

I think that is amazing. How many years were they going strong. I think the standards are really nice looking trains. All the same yet so different.

[Deleted]

I managed to get a pic today of the 1983 stock in Cockfosters Depot that was mentioned in this thread.
www.flickr.com/photos/stephenk1977/213277035/in/set-1617237/
They are in a pretty bad state, and I seriously hope LU get rid of the eyesores soon.