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Post by JR 15secs on Oct 22, 2006 11:07:52 GMT
I'm new here so please treat me gently anyone help on Bull & Bush station supposed to be something hush hush with the Government and also some sort of control centre? relaydel
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2006 13:39:45 GMT
I think you'll find this link very informative... I personally believe Winston Churchill is alive and well and living in Bull&Bush but you didn't hear it from me...
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Post by DWS on Oct 22, 2006 16:15:27 GMT
I'm new here so please treat me gently anyone help on Bull & Bush station supposed to be something hush hush with the Government and also some sort of control centre? relaydel It was used as the Control Centre for Floodgates at one time, but is not now used for this. And it has nothing to do with the Government and its not hush hush
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2006 16:17:57 GMT
it is a good location for a station as it would serve the Garden Suburb which has very poor transport except the H1/2/3 which only run from 10-3.
I thought you couldn't look at passing trains from abandoned stations incase it dazzles the driver or confuses them
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Post by JR 15secs on Oct 23, 2006 18:49:26 GMT
maurits thanks for the link it's full of info on all the system. DWS I thought that there was still floodgate signals working on the District/Piccadilly/Northen lines? I read somewhere that people from 55 Broadway visited there for purposes unknown.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2006 19:16:54 GMT
The only floodgates known to be fully functional are the Jubilee Line floodgates at Canning Town, to protect the line from the Lea River.
The floodgates on the SSL are welded open, while the floodgates on the Northern are chocked to prevent vibration from jarring them closed. IIRC BAET said that the Bakerloo floodgates are semi-functional but not regularly maintained or tested.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2006 21:25:46 GMT
The only floodgates known to be fully functional are the Jubilee Line floodgates at Canning Town, to protect the line from the Lea River. The floodgates on the SSL are welded open, while the floodgates on the Northern are chocked to prevent vibration from jarring them closed. IIRC BAET said that the Bakerloo floodgates are semi-functional but not regularly maintained or tested. The floodgate signals are still in place on a number of lines So? I was talking about the floodgates themselves, not the associated signalling.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2006 3:18:41 GMT
How do the floodgates close around the track? Sureley there'd be gaps somewhere, either in the track or in the floodgate.. doors? It's not going to be watertight is it? And why haven't they got the ones at Embankment working, it's got to be fairly high risk what with it being so close to the river!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2006 4:53:45 GMT
How do the floodgates close around the track? Sureley there'd be gaps somewhere, either in the track or in the floodgate.. doors? It's not going to be watertight is it? This photo from The Moving Metropolis should give the idea. There was a gap in the outer conductor rail, and the inner conductor rail had a section that lifted up. Wedges were put across the bottom of the tunnel, level with the running rails, and then the floodgate slid across the tunnel. It probably would not have been completely watertight, but if the tunnel had been breached by a bomb, the amount of water getting through would have been sufficiently small to be controlled by pumps until a more permanent concrete barrier could be erected.
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Post by JR 15secs on Oct 25, 2006 17:53:40 GMT
Spoke to an old AET yesterday who told me that the floodgate signals are all still interlinked with the floodgates Victoria line aswell and are all still indicated at the control centre any old line controllers out there? shed some more light on the subject.
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Post by Tomcakes on Oct 26, 2006 13:09:47 GMT
Under what circumstances were they closed? Would it be a case of : discharge traction current, get someone to run down the tunnel, shove the wedges in, person runs back to station and gate is closed?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2006 14:29:32 GMT
i've been on the bakerloo platforms at embankment with the floodgates closed - it was during the weekend closure to re-bore the supports in the riverbed for the hungerford bridge circa 2000 if memory serves they had cut away some of the rails to facilitate it's closure.
wish i'd taken a picture now...
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Post by DWS on Oct 26, 2006 21:15:09 GMT
Under what circumstances were they closed? Would it be a case of : discharge traction current, get someone to run down the tunnel, shove the wedges in, person runs back to station and gate is closed? The gates were closed on receipt of an Air Raid Warning "Red", the Traffic Controller would operate switches to give the "Close" indication to the flood gate Attendant and the Signalmen.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2006 22:36:16 GMT
To add to that: there were signalling interlocks to ensure that the gates were not closed while there was still a train in the tunnel under the Thames.
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Post by mandgc on Oct 27, 2006 0:14:37 GMT
"The gates were closed on receipt of an Air Raid Warning Red"
The Controllers would, presumably have recieved advanced warning ("Yellow") and have planned the emergency service before authorising the gates to be closed. (Contrary to current TV and films the bombs did not start to fall immediately after the Air Raid Warning (Red)was sounded - the early warning was given after the planes had crossed the coast and the Red when it appeared likely that they were headed towards London.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2006 7:02:35 GMT
regards to the signalling the floodgates are still detected via a relay as they are in the selection circuit for the approiate FDX signal (apart from south ken where the detection circuit has been looped out) due to a failure on the detection contact on the gate itself this made the e/b starter remain at danger and a indication in the control room
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Post by longforgotten on Oct 31, 2006 12:35:53 GMT
Oct 22, 2006, 12:07pm, relaydel wrote:I'm new here so please treat me gently anyone help on Bull & Bush station supposed to be something hush hush with the Government and also some sort of control centre?
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It was used as the Control Centre for Floodgates at one time, but is not now used for this.
And it has nothing to do with the Government and its not hush hush.
Sorry Del, Bull & Bush was a government controlled site and was indeed 'hush hush'. In fact until the early '70s, when the Line Controllers went to test the phones there, there was an armed military sentry inside the entrance.
Passwords for the day had to be exchanged
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Post by JR 15secs on Oct 31, 2006 19:13:55 GMT
I take it longforgotten you used to be a line controller? I have heard that there was another location which also had the same arrangement of having a miliatary guard present when LT staff attended.
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Post by Oracle on Oct 31, 2006 21:03:48 GMT
Down Street perhaps?
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Post by towerman on Oct 31, 2006 22:35:15 GMT
Wasn't there some secret location in the Knightsbridge/South Ken area during WW2?
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Post by Oracle on Oct 31, 2006 22:45:14 GMT
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Post by JR 15secs on Nov 1, 2006 23:12:19 GMT
Down St would have been during WW2 but this was at a station that was operating 1960/70s
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Post by JR 15secs on Nov 3, 2006 18:23:55 GMT
Been told today that the station which was like Bull & Bush with military guard was Trafalgar Square.
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Post by Oracle on Nov 3, 2006 18:30:27 GMT
I have never heard of an underground connection to Whitehall! However I have just thought that there might have been a connection after all to the labrynth of Whitehall tunnels. Pity my grandfather died 30 years ago, as he worked in the Admiralty during the war and then until 1959, commuting in from Hounslow Central.
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