Did D78 stock have guards if so where is the panel

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Hi guys.

I have always wondered id the d stock had guards.

I don't see where the guard's panel could have been?

Cheers
James

[q8]

D stock had Guards at first and the panels were/are in the drivers cab.

[setttt]

Did the same apply to the pre-refurb C & 73s?

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Both C stock and 73ts had the guards panel in the cab pre refurb and were operated by the guard in the rear cab until OPO.

[Colin]

Gaurds panels are basically a door open and close button, a bell button and a door closed indicator light located on both sides of the cab rear bulkhead. The buttons are still there, though with different uses now.

Ok lets see if i've got this picture posting thingy type stuff sussed -

C stock (basic location) - images.fotopic.net/yb6pg3.jpg

D stock (basic location) - images.fotopic.net/ybrn4a.jpg

[Phil]

Pics look fine to me.

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the control switch for the guard to put his key in on a D stock has been plated now but it is right next to where the driver puts his/her control key

[TMBA]

Also where the door open buttons are just below where the TBC is it was just a blank plate - when they were preparing for one man they then placed the buttons where they are now, it made it easier instead of having to get out of your seat and open the doors on the other side, it was lovely at Barking eastbound because you could open both sides without leaving your seat, The guard also made all the P.A. announcements, the close button on the left hand side of the T.B.C. next to the two open buttons used to be a cab door open button. when one man came in they blanked off the position switch location because they said it would be too much weight for the driver to carry around. we never used to use the stabling light until the train was stowed they said it would give the driver added protection at the back of the train.
I'm sure some of you can remember when we used to be Guards or Drivers! some stories to be told there I bet!

[trainopd78]

The phrase I remember having drummed into me as a guard is still in my head today. Whenever dealing with anything, the first thing we were told was "remove key, check tail lights".

[piccadillypilot]

trainopd78 said:

the first thing we were told was "remove key, check tail lights".

I remember something about making a note in your notebook as well. Did anyone else get that?

[q8]

Althought he Guards position switch key slot on '73 'C' 'D' stocks has been plated over it is still operative. When the driver puts his control key into that slot and operates it the link connecting the two turns both barrels.

[setttt]

What did the guards' key look like. Was it much the same as the control key?

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setttt said:

What did the guards' key look like. Was it much the same as the control key?

It was a bigger version of a Control Key. I have one somewhere, when I find it I'll take a photo.

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we use the old guards key to open our HO type trainstops they the perfect size to undo the 'pineapple'
nuts which hold down the lid

[q8]

Actually there were two types of Guards key. Side lug and centre lug. Centre lug worked the position switch and side lug the doors controls on 'R' stock and the battery switch on 'Q' stock

[Tom]

aetearlscourt said:

we use the old guards key to open our HO type trainstops they the perfect size to undo the 'pineapple'
nuts which hold down the lid

That brings back memories - I kept hold of my guard's key when I left the Bakerloo, it also came in very handy one night when I had to get to Elephant sidings with a stabled train in the way ;D

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the ones we use have a centre lug

[towerman]

Q8,I thought Q stock were like standard stock,the batteries were charged via closed DBVIC and resistor.Thats why cabs were not meant to be in the middle for any length of time.

[q8]

No on Q stock there were two separate sets of batteries. The drivers set which were under the transverse seat on the off side behind the cab and the Guards pair which were under the nearside tranvers seat immediately behind the position. Both sets had their own trickle charger from the juice. The east end motor of the 4 car block was always in the middle anyway but I never heard of weak or gassing batteries on a Q. Incidentally both these seats had a lamp in the car light series under the seat as well. Can you think why?

[towerman]

Was it to prove the battery was charging?

[q8]

Good guess but wrong

[Deleted]

Was it to prove the batteries were present?

[q8]

No it was not. It is a much much simpler reason than that.

[Deleted]

Was it there so that the guard could get into the train when it was darker than a *garbled* *garble* and not trip over any obstructions in the saloon?

[q8]

No it was pure and simply so that the fitters hafd anought light to see in th dark under the seat when they changed the batteries. I know it sounds potty but that was the reason.