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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2008 21:48:04 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2008 22:03:20 GMT
I'd guess the Piccadilly.
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Post by Oracle on Nov 4, 2008 22:07:57 GMT
Wow, taken a few days before I was born! I wondered if it was a Picc train, but the line roundel looked too light to be light blue: I thought it was a Central one.
PS I have no found how I can blow it up! The car # appears to be 32[5 or 6]8, and is that a cab end J door? The advert that you can see by the door is in fcat for the Halifax Building Society.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2008 22:26:27 GMT
The line map looks to have two western/left hand side branches with lends itself to a Piccadilly service. It can't be central for that reason tho could be Northern now I think about it.
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Post by Oracle on Nov 4, 2008 22:30:59 GMT
The Northern roundel would surely be darker and appear more distinctive in black. I keep thinking it's the Aldwych shuttle. Also you would have had the Northern City Line on top of the line.
However I can't find a car number that fits...1931 Stock had odd numbers, unless there was a renumbering job or it's not a '8' at the end.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2008 22:35:24 GMT
The Stock is definitely Pre-1938 Tube, one of the 1928 UCC driving motor cars, confirmed by the design of the 'J' door, central door pillar (which DMs prior to 1928 also had) and bodyside 'bulge' below waistline (unique to UCC-built stock).
Having enlarged the photo and 'sharpened' it as much as I could, the car number appears to be 32x8, which means it can only be one - 3288. The only other possibility was 3298 but this had been renumbered to 3723 on 4/3/39.
If it is 3288, which I believe it to be, that car was on the Central from 17/6/49 until transferred to the Northern City on 28/9/62. The fitting of passenger door control also seems to confirm that it must be on the Central (although other lines had PDC-fitted cars but made inoperative).
And as to the location - that's anyone's guess, but if it is on the Central, which again I believe it is, the train has stopped with the doors open at a location which had been extended to take 8 cars just prior to the war - note the brick wall and dark section above (probably tunnel segments). I can remember several Cerntral Line stations being like this well into the 1950s, having only station name roundels as 'decoration'.
If anyone else can shed any light, please do, but I hope it helps.
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Post by 21146 on Nov 4, 2008 23:04:43 GMT
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Post by ribaric on Nov 4, 2008 23:25:05 GMT
I recall from late 60's to early 70's that a few central area Central line stations were not tiled on the end where the platforms were extended. They sported a terrible white painted pebble-dash surface which looked awful once the inevitable water seepage stains appeared. Holland Park to Lancaster Gate plus Chancery lane and St Paul's come to mind.
Sorry, not much help is it.
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Post by geebeezed on Nov 4, 2008 23:53:09 GMT
And if it is 3288 then it very nearly made it to the Isle of Wight... Being one of the remaindered cars at Ruislip that the SR selected for the programme. Sadly rust in the roof saw it rejected & it was broken up in 1967... )
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Post by metman on Nov 5, 2008 1:00:57 GMT
I'll go with reganorak, an ex Bakerloo car on the Central line, probably the original section!
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Post by towerman on Nov 5, 2008 4:38:57 GMT
I thought the UCC cars were built for the Piccadilly extensions.
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Post by Oracle on Nov 5, 2008 8:02:39 GMT
I love those pix! Now you know why I do my job! I have 15 photos each month to research and caption, but luckily they are glass plate negs scanned in at high res.
The Ealing Broadway photo brings back memories: note the ABC on the right. Mum used to take us to the ABC in Victoria for lunch, one she had used after the war when she was a Secretary (and rationing was in), and when a 3/- (3 shillings, 15 pence) Luncheon Voucher got you a three-course meal.
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Post by metman on Nov 5, 2008 8:24:37 GMT
Actually, Feltham built cars for the Hampstead, Bakerloo and Piccadilly. The car in question was built to replace the old gate trains on the Bakerloo which unlike the Central weren't considered cost effective to convert to air doors.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2008 21:27:49 GMT
That looks like someone's garden shed!
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Post by tubeprune on Nov 5, 2008 22:02:14 GMT
That photo of Ealing Broadway brings back memories. I lived about 10 minutes walk from there on the other side of Haven Green and I used to pop into the ABC cafe on the way back from early turn for lunch. There was also a good fish and chip shop a bit further down the hill. There was a pub on the corner at the junction with the Uxbridge Road called the Feathers. They had a small club upstairs. Then there was ..........mmm. [wanders off remembering lost youth with pleasure]
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Post by slugabed on Nov 5, 2008 23:22:29 GMT
That looks like someone's garden shed! Looks to me rather like an example of the famous "Ministry of Works" shed!! These used to be everywhere.....They were pointed out to me by my mum in the 70s used as ticket offices/staff accomodation by whatever English Heritage were called then (Dept. of Environment?) and once pointed out,you saw them everywhere....schools,sewage farms,Government offices and depots....I assume they were Government-issue pre-fabricated,no doubt modular and in different versions;there's probably a website out there somewhere,dedicated to their study,with a group campaigning to rescue a threatened example and re-erect it somewhere safe....... Seriously,though,it makes sense,as I believe Wapping was destroyed by a bomb,and an off-the-shelf pre-fab was a rather good temporary solution. Later on,I seem to remember Wapping station looking like a portakabin.....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2008 0:04:02 GMT
Reganorak is spot on regarding it being a Feltham. A clue may be the seating which is covered in the moquette used at the time of the rehabilitation of cars stored during the war. Was this pattern standard (and therefore just about the only thing about the stock that was!) or was it only applied to rehab stock.
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Post by tubeprune on Nov 7, 2008 7:47:53 GMT
This design was "Shield" by Edith Marks and was used on most stock going through Acton in the late 40s.
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Post by metman on Nov 7, 2008 8:19:37 GMT
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Post by Oracle on Nov 7, 2008 8:34:37 GMT
I have got to ask: ronfisher.fotopic.net/p49925088.htmlshows the ramp ... was that to be the original way of getting up to Finsbury Park HL if the Northern Heights had gone ahead? The Up/SB line goes through the underpass on the next photo in the sequence. And this shot is a classic: ronfisher.fotopic.net/p51952882.htmlSemaphores! Was there a corresponding bracket in the NB direction?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2008 11:11:09 GMT
I have got to ask: ronfisher.fotopic.net/p49925088.htmlshows the ramp ... was that to be the original way of getting up to Finsbury Park HL if the Northern Heights had gone ahead? The Up/SB line goes through the underpass on the next photo in the sequence. What great pics! I don't think that ramp was for the NB line, as it's too far from and out of alignment with the platform line. There's no obvious clear path for a ramp up to BR level, so perhaps the tunnel mouth would have been altered to allow a junction? Am I right in remembering that the plan was to have some FP to Moorgate shuttles from the underground platforms at FP, even when the Northern Heights works were complete?
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Post by ruislip on Nov 7, 2008 11:36:51 GMT
I'm wondering if these same pics were captured in black and white in the UndergrounD edition of Standard Stock post 1945?
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Post by Oracle on Nov 7, 2008 11:55:20 GMT
I think that the FP HL platforms werre to be served instead...NB on the left side and SB on the right, on an extended elevated viaduct and bridge now removed, and accessed via a flyover. overground.doeth.net/heights/
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Post by tubeprune on Nov 7, 2008 13:34:42 GMT
This car is one of the 1928/9 UCC motor cars which lasted until October 1964 on the line.
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Post by tubeprune on Nov 7, 2008 13:37:39 GMT
I'm wondering if these same pics were captured in black and white in the UndergrounD edition of Standard Stock post 1945? No, the UD book pictures are different.
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Post by ribaric on Nov 7, 2008 16:35:51 GMT
Bracket? Sorry, I'm not familiar with "bracket" but I can tell you there was a single large wooden post with a semaphore on top of it which gave permission to enter the single line to Ongar. Without it, the passing platform could not be used and this happened one stormy night when said signal was downed by high winds. I don't know if that hastened the end of the passing loop but a colour light signal did appear in it's place sometime later. If I've missed the point, sorry.
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Post by geebeezed on Nov 7, 2008 16:55:47 GMT
'Bracket' is just the railway slang for that shape of signal, 'Splitter' would be another... A single Semaphore signal is also sometimes referred to as a 'Peg'. Railways have a language all of their own!
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Post by ribaric on Nov 7, 2008 17:05:54 GMT
I'd heard 'peg' - 'dolly' - 'stick' - 'harbour lights' - 'banjo' - 'shunt' - 'distant' - 'starter' - 'runner' - 'semi' - 'auto' - 'repeater' - 'policeman' - 'draw-up' - 'permission' - 'home' - 'outer home' - 'advanced starter' - 'junction stick'....... but not bracket or splitter.
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Post by mrfs42 on Nov 7, 2008 17:17:46 GMT
I'd heard 'peg' - 'dolly' - 'stick' - 'harbour lights' - 'banjo' - 'shunt' - 'distant' - 'starter' - 'runner' - 'semi' - 'auto' - 'repeater' - 'policeman' - 'draw-up' - 'permission' - 'home' - 'outer home' - 'advanced starter' - 'junction stick'....... but not bracket or splitter. You live and learn. My thanks to you, any more? dodds are dollys and harbour lights are feathers; feathers are also PLJIs (position light junction indicators); you can also have gallows - however, we've wandered off-topic.....
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Post by tubeprune on Nov 7, 2008 17:59:37 GMT
What about "Splitting Distant"? and "Board"?
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