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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2006 20:44:50 GMT
During a recent conversation with one of my colleagues, he advised that a train of NR stock travelled on parts of the LU system in the late 80's. Apparently, this was done as a special railtour.
He didnt have a lot of info on this but can anyone shed any light on this?
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Post by doubletrigger on Oct 18, 2006 20:49:00 GMT
I used to have a link to something about this... was it something like battery locos taking round mk2s on the circle and stuff?
I say battery locos for some reasons but I've gotta be wrong on that... battery locos pulling mk2s?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2006 21:07:05 GMT
I believe you are right Jono.
It was a battery loco hauling Gatwick Express mk2s, there is something about it on one of the many websites out there.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2006 21:08:19 GMT
My mate had a few sketchy details. It sounded as though it was NR coach stock being loco hauled but I dont know what kind of loco i. 37, 47 etc.
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Post by Ben on Oct 18, 2006 21:15:56 GMT
The then new 1984 locos
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2006 21:21:15 GMT
I managed to find a photo of the day. www.anorakheaven.com/photos/ev029.jpgThe 85 stock battery locos, are they still in service? One of the captions on the anorak heaven claimed that they have been withdrawn. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2006 21:25:18 GMT
I assume they just used open air sections, not the SSR tunnels. Wouldn't that not be able to go into certain parts of the system.
Like C stocks can't go further east up the district.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2006 21:28:28 GMT
I see. I always wondered why the H+C only went as far as barking.
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Post by doubletrigger on Oct 18, 2006 21:31:11 GMT
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Post by Ben on Oct 18, 2006 22:37:45 GMT
Those particular batterys are dumped minus bogeys in Ruislip Depot, by the Met line. Most of the cab windows are smashed; probably awaiting someone to buy them for scrap. All in all, it doesnt look like the 80's were good for lul rail stock.
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Post by Oracle on Oct 18, 2006 22:46:56 GMT
DT..I am wracking my brain but I seem to recall that LT borrowed a BR Mk2E or F set that was not used at weekends, the stock chosen as they had non-opening windows. Tubeprune will no doubt correct me! However, one car off of the set was indeed used for gauging purposes and was sent down the Circle's inner rail between two battery locos but fouled in a couple of places...Cannon Street comes to mind but I am no doubt completely erroneous here.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2006 23:34:48 GMT
No, you're correct - a BR Mk2 carriage topped-and-tailed by battery locos went around the Inner Circle and did foul in a few minor spots.
Mk1 DMUs used to reverse at Edgware Road all the time before the 1967 segregation of Paddington Suburban, and a Class 304 EMU used to fit within the Metropolitan loading gauge, as it was once used for Steam on the Met.
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Post by agoodcuppa on Oct 18, 2006 23:36:46 GMT
Two battery locos, L18 and L38, went from West Ruislip to Wimbledon BR depot. Both were fitted with buckeye couplers. This was in early 1982
They (eventually, after application of large hammers etc) coupled to a BR MkII coach a took it for a nice little trip around the sub-surface railway, going round the H&C to (IIRC) Barking and back along the District.
I understand that the Mk II got as bit too close to Mother Earth somewhere on the H&C hence the tours done with No 12 in the autumn of 1982 were confined to the Met Main.
I've got got a copy of the Timetable Notice somewhere, I'll try and find it and post it.
I suspect that people will have photos of the two battery locos with the MkII coach tucked away as well. Needless to say, a number of people with cameras were out and about on the day.
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Post by Colin on Oct 19, 2006 8:29:01 GMT
All in all, it doesnt look like the 80's were good for lul rail stock. I'd disagree with that - whilst the 83ts on the Jubilee created a name for itself, the D78 stock (introduced between 1980 & 1983) was recently regarded as the most reliable stock on LUL metals. |
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Post by Tom on Oct 19, 2006 10:26:32 GMT
a Class 304 EMU used to fit within the Metropolitan loading gauge, as it was once used for Steam on the Met. I think you'll find it was a 305 - 304s spent their lives in the West Midlands. |
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Post by Phil on Oct 19, 2006 16:52:22 GMT
Mk1 DMUs used to reverse at Edgware Road all the time before the 1967 segregation of Paddington Suburban, Really? Have you any details/pics of these events? |
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Post by Ben on Oct 19, 2006 17:51:37 GMT
Fair enough Colin; the D's are reliable; but single doors were a bad idea.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2006 19:41:38 GMT
The doors are about the only problem I can see with the D78's.
Just a thought, does anyone know why the 85 stock battery locos were dumped. Did they have any inherent problems? or were their reliability questionable?
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Post by towerman on Oct 19, 2006 21:00:04 GMT
The design of the brake system made almost impossible to move a train with a slight application of brakes which which they did with conventional locos when dropping rails from a long rail train or doing other work where they needed to move the locos a few feet at a time,this severely limited what trains these locos could haul and in the end they were given up as a bad job.
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Post by DWS on Oct 19, 2006 21:00:55 GMT
No, you're correct - a BR Mk2 carriage topped-and-tailed by battery locos went around the Inner Circle and did foul in a few minor spots. Mk1 DMUs used to reverse at Edgware Road all the time before the 1967 segregation of Paddington Suburban, and a Class 304 EMU used to fit within the Metropolitan loading gauge, as it was once used for Steam on the Met. DMUs did not reverse at Edgware Road before 1967  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2006 21:20:06 GMT
Are you sure? I participated in a thread in uk.railway where someone said they found a Western Region Mk1 DMU sitting in one of the center roads at Edgware Road.
They certainly may not have reversed there regularly, but before the lines were segregated, there may have been one-off workings...
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