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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2009 19:43:19 GMT
Hi
I have a couple of days off coming up and thought I'd use one of them by going up the Metropolitan Line to places I've never been. I'm just finding it hard to find online timetables so I can plan - Journey Planner is just one trip at a time and when I clicked on Baker Street Met TT I got a list of times but with no indication where the trains are going. "Towards Amersham" is every 2-5 mins but even being a South London boy I know that's unlikely.
I want to experience A stock at speed before it's too late!
All I need is a good old fashioned timetable - anyone know where I can get one online, please?
Thanks
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Post by jakehn54 on Aug 1, 2009 21:01:37 GMT
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Post by citysig on Aug 2, 2009 7:11:22 GMT
I want to experience A stock at speed before it's too late! I fear you may be too late for that, but they still do between 40 and 50 in places ;D Failing any other source, Amersham services leave Baker Street off-peak at 00, 10, 30, 40 minutes past each hour. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2009 7:29:56 GMT
Thanks a lot for that info. I didn't click on "first and last trains"! Doesn't exactly sound like "full timetable" but there you go. Thanks again.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2009 9:06:56 GMT
Thanks a lot for that info. I didn't click on "first and last trains"! Doesn't exactly sound like "full timetable" but there you go. Thanks again. But look down that list and you will find the full Amersham/Chesham Met service..................... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2009 10:08:18 GMT
Thanks lnwrelectric - I did find the timetables, I was just saying that they weren't very well signposted! All sorted - I'll be trekking around the top end of the map in a couple of weeks!
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Post by metman on Aug 2, 2009 10:28:44 GMT
If you want to experience A stock at speed, get on a late rush hour train from Amersham terminating at Harrow! The fast section between Moor Park and Harrow is normally quick as the driver wants to get home!
Met timetables are well kept secrets.
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Post by citysig on Aug 2, 2009 12:52:54 GMT
Met timetables are well kept secrets.  I disagree. We are the only proper railway on the combine, and to match this, we are the only line that makes public the times of its trains - in particular the Amersham service. The other branches aren't fully published, mainly because it would take a lot of paper just to show that on the whole we operate on a clockface for much of the day, with trains every 10 minutes to both Watford or Uxbridge. You can rely on us. Not like some of these toy railways that tell you they run every 2-3 minutes. I'll stop there ;D ;D |
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Post by North End on Aug 2, 2009 14:04:12 GMT
Met timetables are well kept secrets. I disagree. We are the only proper railway on the combine, and to match this, we are the only line that makes public the times of its trains - in particular the Amersham service. The other branches aren't fully published, mainly because it would take a lot of paper just to show that on the whole we operate on a clockface for much of the day, with trains every 10 minutes to both Watford or Uxbridge. You can rely on us. Not like some of these toy railways that tell you they run every 2-3 minutes. I'll stop there ;D ;D Since WTT52, the Northern Line does a pretty fine job of running to timetable most days.. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2009 16:10:34 GMT
we are the only line that makes public the times of its trains - in particular the Amersham service. District's Olympia service has a public timetable for the entire day. |
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Post by Ben on Aug 2, 2009 16:51:14 GMT
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Post by happybunny on Aug 2, 2009 17:18:41 GMT
we are the only line that makes public the times of its trains - in particular the Amersham service. District's Olympia service has a public timetable for the entire day. Which the controllers rip up.... and disregard when they see fit (very often) and cancel/divert those trains wherever... oh and even better ... don't even tell the punters at Olympia !!! World Class !!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2009 17:52:48 GMT
District's Olympia service has a public timetable for the entire day. Could a reason for the Olympia timetable be because it only has a service every 15 minutes, whereas most, if not all other lines have a service every 1-3 minutes? Probably the reason why "the controllers rip up" the timetable is because, as Colin has said in another thread, the Olympia train is, outside of exhibitions, next to empty and so would affect very few people if the train was to be diverted. |
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Post by happybunny on Aug 2, 2009 18:01:17 GMT
Could a reason for the Olympia timetable be because it only has a service every 15 minutes, whereas most, if not all other lines have a service every 1-3 minutes? Probably the reason why "the controllers rip up" the timetable is because, as Colin has said in another thread, the Olympia train is, outside of exhibitions, next to empty. Im sorry... but next to empty or not, LUL publish a timetable which states that a given service will run. To cancel that service willy nilly is out of order. What about the few people that are waiting for the train at Olympia? Or at Earls Court to get home to Olympia? Don't they matter? If LUL want to utilise that train for other things rather than for the Olympia's they shouldn't timetable it to work Olympia journeys. Imagine if a NR TOC cancelled a train because they needed it for another route, didn't tell the people waiting for it, even carried out this procedure for a whole week... is that acceptable ? |
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Post by Ben on Aug 2, 2009 18:24:37 GMT
They'd incur a quite a substantial financial penalty, wouldn't they?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2009 18:33:13 GMT
District's Olympia service has a public timetable for the entire day. Which the controllers rip up.... and disregard when they see fit (very often) and cancel/divert those trains wherever... oh and even better ... don't even tell the punters at Olympia !!! World Class !!!! But more often than not the shuttle gets cancelled when a late running Richmond train gets sent to Olympia in it's place. |
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Post by happybunny on Aug 2, 2009 18:39:23 GMT
They'd incur a quite a substantial financial penalty, wouldn't they? But LUL clean get away with it... even though I am led to believe the RBKC subsidize the service... |
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Post by happybunny on Aug 2, 2009 18:53:09 GMT
Which the controllers rip up.... and disregard when they see fit (very often) and cancel/divert those trains wherever... oh and even better ... don't even tell the punters at Olympia !!! World Class !!!! But more often than not the shuttle gets cancelled when a late running Richmond train gets sent to Olympia in it's place. That certainly wasn't the case during Wimbledon |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2009 20:10:46 GMT
Im sorry... but next to empty or not, LUL publish a timetable which states that a given service will run. To cancel that service willy nilly is out of order. What about the few people that are waiting for the train at Olympia? Or at Earls Court to get home to Olympia? Don't they matter? I suspect ( I may be wrong ) that it is thought that diverting an Olympia train would disrupt fewer people than diverting, say, a Richmond train. There is also the added option when doing Earls Court to Olympia of getting the Overground, which is of course only a short walk away from the Earls Court area. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2009 20:31:52 GMT
Imagine if a NR TOC cancelled a train because they needed it for another route, didn't tell the people waiting for it, even carried out this procedure for a whole week... is that acceptable ? It seems to be as I get that problem with London Midland. Some trains coming through Birmingham get pulled and used for other services (ex Central services) rather that coming to London. |
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Post by happybunny on Aug 2, 2009 20:54:27 GMT
Im sorry... but next to empty or not, LUL publish a timetable which states that a given service will run. To cancel that service willy nilly is out of order. What about the few people that are waiting for the train at Olympia? Or at Earls Court to get home to Olympia? Don't they matter? I suspect ( I may be wrong ) that it is thought that diverting an Olympia train would disrupt fewer people than diverting, say, a Richmond train. There is also the added option when doing Earls Court to Olympia of getting the Overground, which is of course only a short walk away from the Earls Court area. Yes maybe you are right... but the point is THE PUNTERS DONT KNOW THE TRAIN IS CANCELLED! They will be sat there waiting for a train that won't come, there are no departure screens/information announcements stating that the 0830service (for example) is cancelled !! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2009 21:06:20 GMT
But more often than not the shuttle gets cancelled when a late running Richmond train gets sent to Olympia in it's place. The Richmond would need to be close on an hour late to turn at Olympia!! Plus hell would need to freeze over before they do something with a late running Richmond train anyway (even a turn at Gunnersbury and the passengers can continue by Overground) they'd seem to far rather turn it on the East where the passengers have no alternative travel options  (If it's correct that under the new SSR WTT the Upminster service reduces to 9 tph from 12 and they will originate from Ealing and Richmond rather than Wimbledon and Richmond, where there is no significant ability to curtail at the west, then precious few trains will even make it to Upminster during disruption !!!) The Cancellation of the Olympia trains seem to have no relationship to other trains diverting there (which easilly slot inbetween anyway). The walk to Olympia from Earl's Court is not as short as it may be thought, especially for mobility impared customers, Olympia is a published wheelchair accessible station. The Olympia trains are lightly loaded ..but they are not empty, leaving any customer waiting 30mins, especially with no information, on a whim, is, frankly, not on! |
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Post by citysig on Aug 2, 2009 22:28:50 GMT
Since WTT52, the Northern Line does a pretty fine job of running to timetable most days.. I will comment only as far as saying that we should revisit this thread on December 14th, as, unless I'm mistaken, the man behind that WTT52 is also the man behind WTT8 for the Circle and H&C - otherwise known as the T-cup (the timetable, not the man ;D ) |
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Post by citysig on Aug 2, 2009 22:34:00 GMT
Yes maybe you are right... but the point is THE PUNTERS DONT KNOW THE TRAIN IS CANCELLED! They will be sat there waiting for a train that won't come, there are no departure screens/information announcements stating that the 0830service (for example) is cancelled !! I really don't think I've ever seen such emotion about a 10 minute walk a minor service on the underground. Yes they are all important in their own way, but come on, let's look at the wider picture. Yes some people may be inconvenienced, but I'm sure, as has been said, this is to benefit many more customers. Still. Clearly an emotive subject, and given the fact that it's "timetabled" (I use the phrase loosely) I stand by my earlier comments about the Met being more dependable. ;D ;D We rarely cancel the Chesham shuttle, and when we do, our office becomes a whirlwind of sheer panic ;D ;D |
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Post by mrfs42 on Aug 2, 2009 22:41:43 GMT
Since WTT52, the Northern Line does a pretty fine job of running to timetable most days.. I will comment only as far as saying that we should revisit this thread on December 14th, as, unless I'm mistaken, the man behind that WTT52 is also the man behind WTT8 for the Circle and H&C - otherwise known as the T-cup (the timetable, not the man ;D ) Well.... The compilers in the published versions (WTT 52) and the TTN are different names. Anyway MetControl *why* WTT8[1] ? Surely it should be 23 if in the H&C series, 138 in the District and 327 in the Met?? If it is the same compiler as WTT 52, then his TTNs are very good too! [1] or is this a secret Timetable Office code for 'Version No 8'? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2009 9:01:10 GMT
Anyway MetControl *why* WTT8[1] ? Surely it should be 23 if in the H&C series, 138 in the District and 327 in the Met?? If it is the same compiler as WTT 52, then his TTNs are very good too! [1] or is this a secret Timetable Office code for 'Version No 8'? Good question MRFS, I was asking the same the other day ... I wondered if it was some plan devised in the year 200 8? I do trust the actual WTTs will be printed for each line as usual, numbered in the next available number sequence ! A single WTT for all the SSR would be quite unwealdy to follow and too heavy for each T/Op to carry about as per the rules! |
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Post by Chris M on Aug 3, 2009 9:53:24 GMT
Unless the t-cup is section 8 of a single WTT for all the SSL lines? That seems quite a high number of sections though?
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Post by citysig on Aug 3, 2009 11:44:06 GMT
**Clears throat**
The timetable which will be introduced on 13th December is referred to Working Timetable 8. This is in fact a "working title" for the group of timetables it will affect - i.e. Met, H&C/Circle and District, or to put it another way, the Sub-Surface Lines.
Apparently, this is the 8th time that all 3 areas have been more or less re-written to reflect major changes to all 3 timetables. The 8th time, if you like, that there has been a "Sub-Surface Lines" timetable.
Normally, service tweaks on one or other line do not normally require much tweaking on another area. For example, allowing a District an extra 3 minutes at Richmond, would not normally require re-timings to the Chesham shuttle.
When 13th December arrives, the actual timetables will be H&C 23, District 138 and Met 327.
(The above information was supplied to me very recently when I also posed the exact same question. It seems strange to me that very few others had even queried the numbering.)
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Post by citysig on Aug 3, 2009 11:48:25 GMT
Well.... The compilers in the published versions (WTT 52) and the TTN are different names.... ...If it is the same compiler as WTT 52, then his TTNs are very good too! Sorry, what I meant to say was that "unless I am mistaken, the manager who stipulated that X, Y and Z should occur in that "new" Northern line timetable, is the same manager who has stipulated A, B and C in the new H&C / Circle timetable. The compilers have gone away and done the best they could given the "rules" they had to follow. Still very good, and I would imagine some of the ideas / spoof moves as we call them were the compiler's own. |
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Post by mrfs42 on Aug 3, 2009 16:35:47 GMT
**Clears throat** <snip> Apparently, this is the 8th time that all 3 areas have been more or less re-written to reflect major changes to all 3 timetables. The 8th time, if you like, that there has been a "Sub-Surface Lines" timetable. <snip> (The above information was supplied to me very recently when I also posed the exact same question. It seems strange to me that very few others had even queried the numbering.) Thank-you very much for that answer. *scratches head* Hmm. I wonder when the 8th revision starts from - 1926, 1934 or 1989? When I've finished looking at various other things I shall have a look in my library. 1954 Met revisions with new SB tracks at Wembley Park, 1957 rearrangement of tracks between Gloucester Road and South Ken, 1958 alterations at Barking, and the closure of Little Ilford all spring to mind as possible revision points to be counted. Uxbridge - Barking, no District at Northfields, the end of the Met stoppers vis the Bakerloo, May 1938 revisions, 7½ min Circles, TTN 117/91 and the end of Hammersmith - ELL too.Interesting. I'll have a look sometime, rather than dragging this further off-topic. |
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I disagree. We are the only proper railway on the combine, and to match this, we are the only line that makes public the times of its trains - in particular the Amersham service.
