Interesting Movement Last Night

[Christopher J]

After coming home from the Pub meet via Acton with DD and Seth, I caught the Picc to Holborn and then the Central to Mile End to catch the District for the final leg home.

Whilst I stood at Mile End awaiting for an EB District, after a few mins there was a very odd 'eerrrr!!!!' noise coming from the WB Central Line Tunnel, and it got louder and louder and louder as it seemed to get closer to the platform (by the time it reached the platform, you couldn't hear yourself think!), I know Mile End station quite well and to my knowledge I had not heard this certain sound at the station before.

My first assumption was that it was a 92 stock with really dodgy Traction Motors belting it up to the platform, but I was incorrect, this certain thing making lots of noise was infact L15 with a few wagons of Ballast!

Can anybody find out what working it was doing? It passed though Mile End at around 21:20 - Thank you!

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christopherjolly said:

Can anybody find out what working it was doing? It passed though Mile End at around 21:20 - Thank you!

Taking ballast to / from Rusilip to the engineering work out east on the central

[Chris M]

christopherjolly said:

Whilst I stood at Mile End awaiting for an EB District, after a few mins there was a very odd 'eerrrr!!!!' noise coming from the WB Central Line Tunnel, and it got louder and louder and louder as it seemed to get closer to the platform (by the time it reached the platform, you couldn't hear yourself think!),

I feel sorry for the driver of the train, it would drive me mad!

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awkward42 said:

I feel sorry for the driver of the train, it would drive me mad!

I wouldnt mind doing it! hhhmmmm Battery Thrash! ;D

[Christopher J]

metapprentice said:

hhhmmmm Battery Thrash! ;D

How many Duracells do you need to move one? ;D ;D ;D

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christopherjolly said:

How many Duracells do you need to move one? ;D ;D ;D

img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/met_apprentice/AA_L19.jpg ;D

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metapprentice said:

I wouldnt mind doing it! hhhmmmm Battery Thrash! ;D

You get worse MA ;D

I'm only jealous

Nice pic BTW ;D ;D

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I think I read somewhere that the battery locos are of a 1938 design. Does anyone know if any those used today were actually built as far back as 1938? How old are they?

[towerman]

L15 was 1969 build for working Picc Heathrow extension.

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I've only ever been in one battery loco, it had a weird type of deadman; just a button in the handgrip on the controller. Are they all like that?

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david5032 said:

I've only ever been in one battery loco, it had a weird type of deadman; just a button in the handgrip on the controller. Are they all like that?

Yep, iam reliably informed that if you are driving one for a little while, you get a nice ring indent in your hand when you let go!

This button is the deadman. Another fact you might like to know is that there are 32 (IIRC) notches on the deadman!

[towerman]

Also you have shunt,series,series-parrallel and parallel.You can only cut out motors in pairs,I believe it's 1&3 or 2&4.When you do that you get no movement until series-parallel,doesn't half start up with a jolt!!

[q8]

I've only ever been in one battery loco, it had a weird type of deadman; just a button in the handgrip on the controller. Are they all like that?
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Cor blimey cock, you should have seen some of the handles on the standard (pre-1938) stock. Some were large square things 6 inches by four and about an inch and a half thick. Not only did you have to hold that monstrosity down but it also had a knob in the button that also had to be kept depressed. If you did a Ruislip-Epping you had a bloody hole on the palm of your hand.

[Phil]

q8 said:

I've only ever been in one battery loco, it had a weird type of deadman; just a button in the handgrip on the controller. Are they all like that?
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Cor blimey cock, you should have seen some of the handles on the standard (pre-1938) stock. Some were large square things 6 inches by four and about an inch and a half thick. Not only did you have to hold that monstrosity down but it also had a knob in the button that also had to be kept depressed. If you did a Ruislip-Epping you had a bloody hole on the palm of your hand.

So apart from drivers' bags what else was used to hold down the deadmans?

[ikar]

christopherjolly said:

After coming home from the Pub meet via Acton with DD and Seth, I caught the Picc to Holborn and then the Central to Mile End to catch the District for the final leg home.

Whilst I stood at Mile End awaiting for an EB District, after a few mins there was a very odd 'eerrrr!!!!' noise coming from the WB Central Line Tunnel, and it got louder and louder and louder as it seemed to get closer to the platform (by the time it reached the platform, you couldn't hear yourself think!), I know Mile End station quite well and to my knowledge I had not heard this certain sound at the station before.

My first assumption was that it was a 92 stock with really dodgy Traction Motors belting it up to the platform, but I was incorrect, this certain thing making lots of noise was infact L15 with a few wagons of Ballast!

Can anybody find out what working it was doing? It passed though Mile End at around 21:20 - Thank you!

There was a Engineering work at Leytonstone station this week

[Tomcakes]

rbruce1314 said:

q8 said:

I've only ever been in one battery loco, it had a weird type of deadman; just a button in the handgrip on the controller. Are they all like that?
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Cor blimey cock, you should have seen some of the handles on the standard (pre-1938) stock. Some were large square things 6 inches by four and about an inch and a half thick. Not only did you have to hold that monstrosity down but it also had a knob in the button that also had to be kept depressed. If you did a Ruislip-Epping you had a bloody hole on the palm of your hand.

So apart from drivers' bags what else was used to hold down the deadmans?

There was a nasty collision at Manors in 1926 when a driver of an electric train fell out of the cab. He was reported to be leaning out looking into the saloon at a courting couple . The deadman had been tied down with two hankercheifs.

[Christopher J]

Thank you for all the replies.

I once head a story that a T/op of a 73TS on the Piccadilly Line failed to get a Pilot light at a station (Don't know which station) because there was something stuck in between one of the doors, The T/op left the Control Key/RKL220 all in place and left the CTBC depressed in SERVICE 1 with a Bag of shopping he/she had, the T/op managed to get whatever it was stuck in the doors out so that a Pilot Light could be given for the Train to motor, unfortunately as the T/op was walking back to the Cab, something in the bag of shopping depressing the CTBC 'slipped' causing the CTBC to move from SERIES 1 to a motoring position with nobody present in the cab.

Does anybody remember this incident and what the outcome was?

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This happened at Kings Cross and the driver was sacked and prosecuted!

[chris]

tombeevers said:

driver of an electric train fell out of the cab. .

ROFL! That wasn't a funny incident, the idea of a driver falling out and the train slowly departing I find (for some reason) halirous.

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christopherjolly said:

I once head a story that a T/op of a 73TS on the Piccadilly Line failed to get a Pilot light at a station (Don't know which station) because there was something stuck in between one of the doors, The T/op left the Control Key/RKL220 all in place and left the CTBC depressed in SERVICE 1 with a Bag of shopping he/she had, the T/op managed to get whatever it was stuck in the doors out so that a Pilot Light could be given for the Train to motor, unfortunately as the T/op was walking back to the Cab, something in the bag of shopping depressing the CTBC 'slipped' causing the CTBC to move from SERIES 1 to a motoring position with nobody present in the cab.

Incorrect, the driver left his work bag on the deadman depressed down, with the TBC in 'parrallel', he went back to the the door with the problem, fixed the issue, the train got the pilot light and off it went.

As Jim says, the driver was sacked and prosecuted.

[solidbond]

Not only prosecuted, but found guilty of endangering passenger safety, and got sentenced to six months inside.

As a direct result of his actions, 'traction restroking' was implemented on all stock, preventing the pilot light circuit from being completed if the CTBC is in a motoring position. Hence the reason why, if a driver loses the pilot light, they have to shut off and wind up again

[Dstock7080]

adw said:

I think I read somewhere that the battery locos are of a 1938 design. Does anyone know if any those used today were actually built as far back as 1938? How old are they?

L35-43 were the 1938 (Gloucester) vintage ones, these are now withdrawn.
Available now are:
L20/21 1964 (Metro-Cammell)
L22-32 1965 (Metro-Cammell)
L15/16 1970 (Metro-Cammell)
L17-19 1971 (Metro-Cammell)
L44-54 1974 (BREL Doncaster)
L62-67 1985 (Metro-Cammell)-withdrawn

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Re: Kings X runnaway...

What stopped the train? Presumably it was tripped.

When was this incident?

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dstock7080 said:

adw said:

I think I read somewhere that the battery locos are of a 1938 design. Does anyone know if any those used today were actually built as far back as 1938? How old are they?

L35-43 were the 1938 (Gloucester) vintage ones, these are now withdrawn.
Available now are:
L20/21 1964 (Metro-Cammell)
L22-32 1965 (Metro-Cammell)
L15/16 1970 (Metro-Cammell)
L17-19 1971 (Metro-Cammell)
L44-54 1974 (BREL Doncaster)
L62-67 1985 (Metro-Cammell)-withdrawn

Why have L62-67 been withdrawn, what was wrong with them?

[q8]

There was a nasty collision at Manors in 1926 when a driver of an electric train fell out of the cab. He was reported to be leaning out looking into the saloon at a courting couple .
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A similar and much hushed up thing occured on the DR in the early sixties by a driver now retired and still living on the DR.

I was running with this same driver with 6 car CP once on a dead late and, as we used to, I walked through the train to the east end after Dagenham East counting the number of folk on board. You then worked the doors from the east end and counted the number getting off thereafter. This made for a quick close up at Upminster and down the yard.

However I walked through one night and when I got to the east end and went into the cab to chat to my mate there was no b*gger there!! The train was driving itself with the oil tail lamp hanging on the handle. I then got a tap on the shoulder and my driver was behind me.

When asked how this was possible I was told I had passed him in the dark in a middle cab. He had, of course, been "bogging"

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That's remarkably dodgy!

What does DR stand for anyway? District-something?

Sam

[Christopher J]

ca55ie said:

What does DR stand for anyway? District-something?

District Railway.

[Deleted]

Brilliant, taa Chris!

Sam

[Tom]

david5032 said:

Re: Kings X runnaway...

What stopped the train? Presumably it was tripped.

When was this incident?

Tripped approaching Holloway Road at 45mph no less. Not sure of the date, post 1987 for sure.

[solidbond]

david5032 said:

Re: Kings X runnaway...

What stopped the train? Presumably it was tripped.

When was this incident?

Can't remember exactly, but I think that the current was discharged, and it came to a halt due to gradient, although it may have been tripped.

It happened in about 1994, or thereabouts.