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Post by greggygreggygreg on Nov 23, 2018 22:37:34 GMT
What would that mean in relation to, for example, a train running from Victoria to Dover? . The same as currently happens to Liverpool Street to Stansted services, for example - or Marylebone to Aylesbury. They share tracks with the Metro services. (This is presumably why here is no off peak service shown to Dartford via Sidcup - these continue beyond Dartford, and would remain with SET. So no Woolwich to Lewisham service? That wont go down well as those were always well used trains when I lived in the area. Likewise, this service goes beyond Dartford. I would prefer non-TfL services to be shown in some way, perhaps as a narrower line, but that is not TfL's way. One oddity on the map is that the NR interchange symbol is shown at all stations Beckenham Junction to Orpington, except Bromley South! If this is to take account of the Thameslink services sharing that route, Bromley South (and also Penge East, Sydenham Hill and West Dulwich should have the symbol), but the usual convention is not to show interchange at intermediate stations on lines where two all-stations services operate (so Gunnersbury and Richmond, but not Kew Gardens), so here we would expect Herne Hill, Beckenham Junction, Shortlands, Bromley South and Orpington to have the symbol, but not the intermediate stations. The map emphasizes how ridiculously complex the south London rail services are and why a potential TFL takeover should first be thoroughly reviewed. Not as complicated as the Tube network, although I would suggest the map might be clearer if the "London Bridge" routes were split as the Victoria ones have, into a "via Forest Hill and a "via Tulse Hill" group, and that the West London Line/East Croydon route be shown separate from the other Overground lines. But if these lines were to be taken over and run as part of the Overground, we would just get a confusing tangle of spaghetti-in-tomato-sauce, because branding is so much more important than clarity. I would say it is more complicated than the Tube network, as the London Underground has all its lines physically and operationally separate, whereas the South London rail service is all connected and a delay on one part will spread to the rest
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Post by greggygreggygreg on Nov 9, 2018 15:09:26 GMT
Getting ready for TfL to take over the Great Northern Inners and Southern Metro?
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Post by greggygreggygreg on Oct 15, 2018 7:59:16 GMT
Not to mention there is a marked difference between ATO and NOPO (No person operation), which is often confused by the public as the media uses it as a way to undermine any driver actions, same as the case here, which is, "If you take action, they'll just get rid of you!".......well, no, no they won't, unfortunately more and more drivers actually believe what the press tells them, rather than listening to people 'who know' in the industry. The underground is over 150 yrs old, it's struggling to stay on top of bare maintenance as it is, deep tube isn't capable of NOPO, I'd say neither is Sub Surface either, it's not just a case of 'change the trains with no drivers cab' which is what the press usually rolls out cue any mention of action, it's the infrastructure needed to support it, which just can't be funded at the moment, and less likely to be post-brexit, and the political will has never really been there, it's an American mindset to make people redundant en masse and not really care about it too much "Bidness is bidness!" but something that hasn't really sat well with Brits, though our society now has fast become very much americanised, 'Snake oil' salesmen et al. Have a look at the new Glasgow Subway trains. They've been designed to have their cabs removed in the future.
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Post by greggygreggygreg on Oct 14, 2018 18:57:09 GMT
I think the current District drivers are not trained for the Gloucester Road to High St Kensington section. I really surprised they can't just look at a briefing and diagram for such a short section. Probably illegal in some quarters though. Which is fine until one day there's an incident and a subsequent investigation.
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Post by greggygreggygreg on Oct 11, 2018 10:01:45 GMT
I can't remember the ins and outs, as its been years since I was last competent in the electrified lines instructions, but if the power trips, the Electrical Control Room should reset the breaker immediately. If it trips again, wait for a set amount of time before resetting again. If it trips a third time, it stays tripped until someone finds out what is causing the tripping. It is that set amount of time between the second and third trip which means you need to expect the juice to still be live for five minutes.
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Post by greggygreggygreg on Oct 10, 2018 11:26:29 GMT
Ah, I see. But in the context of a tunnel, unless it was an extreme emergency, wouldn't the driver expect there to be staff in orange jackets meeting him to hand the passengers over to? Surely the driver wouldn't just help them off the train and point them in the right direction to walk up the tunnel without a member of Network Rail staff? Even helping passengers climb down the steps could be a two man job? From reading the report, the (agency) member of staff was on the platform when the detrainment started and went to assist the passengers only when he saw them walking up the track. Does a short-circuiting device exist on National Rail, rather like those on the Underground? National Rail isn't like LUL where all station staff (apart from CS2s) are trained and licenced for track-walking. If the agency staff who work for Govia at Peckham Rye station are anything like those who work for London Overground then they aren't licenced to go trackside and would have to wait on the platform. In all likelihood the only member of staff who would be track licenced would have been the duty station manager who just happened to be at Peckham Rye at the time. Not sure where "the context of a tunnel" is relevant to this incident as this was open section. I think Network Rail does have SCDs but I'm not swearing to it. The only station staff who are track safety trained are those who split and attach trains. Not even station managers are track safety trained on National Rail.
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Post by greggygreggygreg on Sept 4, 2018 13:06:17 GMT
At what point of passenger stupidity do we draw the line of responsibility? Ultimately, trains will only be deemed safe if they don't move at all! Trouble is, a duty of care is owed to those unable to take responsibility for their actions. Whether that is due to stupidly, absent-mindedness, disability or whatever.
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Post by greggygreggygreg on Aug 30, 2018 20:23:36 GMT
"This is because they closed the ticket offices" incoming. (there's supposed to be a picture of a soldier, but it refuses to resize..) I think I'll just get the discount removed. Its too difficult for either the staff, or the people who program the systems, to get things right
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Post by greggygreggygreg on Aug 30, 2018 17:57:07 GMT
Looked at my son's Oystercard account, and it would appear that TfL staff cannot tell the difference between Staff and Nominee Oystercards when it comes to child discounts...
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Post by greggygreggygreg on Aug 30, 2018 9:22:53 GMT
I read somewhere that half of PTI incidents happen with DOO and half with guard operated doors but the statistic to place alongside that is that only a third of trains are DOO. Having guards doesn't eliminate trap-and-drag but it seems to reduce the frequency. You could muck about with statistics to fiddle it either way. You could say DOO services carry far more passengers than crewed ones, as DOO tend to work suburban services, so therefore per passenger DOO is safer.
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Post by greggygreggygreg on Aug 30, 2018 9:10:13 GMT
After renewing my son's Rail Staff Travel discount on his 11-15 Zip Card, it 8s coming up with a code 01 on the gates again. Don't know why - it should have just had the expiry date changed when our new Priv Cards were sent through. I might just have the staff discount removed - don't think it's worth the hassle if sorting this out every year! Last time they put the wrong discount in - they put a spouse discount on rather than the employee discount - but all they did this time was change the expiry date, so I can't figure out what's wrong with it?
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Post by greggygreggygreg on Aug 29, 2018 19:58:53 GMT
Doesn't do much for the counter-argument to DOO, does it? Especially when the conductor admitted seeing the passenger. And he was a conductor instructor!
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Post by greggygreggygreg on Aug 22, 2018 19:36:55 GMT
If that is true, then surely by the same train of thought, whoever did not fit the anchor correctly should have got a commendation for bringing to light the skiving track staff? Talking of narrow escapes, I hear that very recently a section of the Bakerloo line between Queens Park and Kensal Green became energised whilst there was still a P-way gang in the section during an engineering possession. Luckily no-one was hurt. Don't they use earthing straps?
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Post by greggygreggygreg on Aug 18, 2018 21:25:32 GMT
59TS ran away from Queen's Park in engineering hours back in the 80s due to an incorrectly fitted rail anchor,was a miracle no maintenance staff were killed,think the train came to rest about three stations down the SB. Was this the one where the P way staff should have been on the track working and were actually skiving and ended up getting the sack for not being killed? If that is true, then surely by the same train of thought, whoever did not fit the anchor correctly should have got a commendation for bringing to light the skiving track staff?
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Post by greggygreggygreg on Aug 9, 2018 20:52:10 GMT
What would you like to have happened? Train evacuated, trains stuck in tunnels behind, and you getting home three hours later than intended? I think it was a genuine question. There is an equally valid concern that if the bag exploded, a lot of people would not be getting home at all. As has been mentioned elsewhere, can we be mindful about the tone of our replies. We don't want to put people off from asking questions.
We would always encourage people to report anything that they see as potentially suspicious, and not to let the desire to get home as quickly as possible to cloud their judgement.
Thanks.
Totally. I was merely asking what the procedure the OP thought should happen? The train operator appeared to follow a procedure - took it back to the cab as an item of lost property, which is what it was. In my experience, if the police turn up it becomes an unnecessarily protracted operation.
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Post by greggygreggygreg on Aug 9, 2018 6:46:00 GMT
What would you like to have happened? Train evacuated, trains stuck in tunnels behind, and you getting home three hours later than intended?
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Post by greggygreggygreg on Aug 8, 2018 20:14:44 GMT
They're selling the ground above the tunnels. Not the tunnels themselves.
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Post by greggygreggygreg on Aug 6, 2018 19:21:10 GMT
Unless an impact or other damage has disabled the radio system. Or a fire in a tunnel has disabled the radio system. Anything which is not fail-safe doesn't belong on a railway
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Post by greggygreggygreg on Jul 29, 2018 19:46:32 GMT
There's also the other argument of how passengers would get out of the train in an emergency, which I imagine is why it is easy to get into a cab in the first place
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Post by greggygreggygreg on Jun 28, 2018 19:39:33 GMT
When we still had the 33 1/3hz track circuits on the District and they ran a S stock guess what happened? Obsoletely nothing everything worked as design. I suppose 999,999 out of 1,000,000 nothing will happen, but it is that other one occasion that there will be an issue
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Post by greggygreggygreg on Jun 10, 2018 11:15:26 GMT
I imagine the works take X number of hours to complete, which takes up the whole weekend plus a few hours. In which case the few extra hours need to be tagged onto the weekend, either at the beginning or at the end. It is preferable to shut down the service early on the Friday rather than start it up late on a Monday.
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Post by greggygreggygreg on Apr 24, 2018 16:15:02 GMT
I wasn't ranting. I was just commenting mainly for the benefit of those who don't have discounted travel, who can be a lot more out of pocket. It might be called privilige travel, but it is a legally protected contractual entitlement.
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Post by greggygreggygreg on Apr 24, 2018 10:49:15 GMT
Its four-fifths of a pound I'm out of pocket (80p). What's the point of having a discount if the system doesn't allow me to use it? I asked the Oyster help desk to refund me to my bank account, but said to use my Oyster within the next 4 days! There's no wonder we advise people to buy paper tickets when these things cause so much hassle!
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Post by greggygreggygreg on Apr 23, 2018 20:08:48 GMT
Yes, they were powered up, but red Xs on all of them. And why am I not entitled to moan? The system wasn't working as it should! I don't suppose Underground staff never moan about anything, do they?
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Post by greggygreggygreg on Apr 23, 2018 19:19:38 GMT
To repeat, the gates were definitely not working. Everyone was being directed to just walk through the open gates, unable to swipe out. I'm not letting it go for 80p. What about all the others who will be several pounds out of pocket?
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Post by greggygreggygreg on Apr 23, 2018 18:07:13 GMT
I had already detoured as Westminster was shut. And not having the Oyster readers working causes congestion while passengers remonstrate with staff after everyone tries several times to touch out. I can't see an issue with moaning about it, as this sort of thing shouldn't happen. Now I've had to email the Oyster help desk and it'll be a hassle to get my 80p back!
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Post by greggygreggygreg on Apr 22, 2018 20:08:49 GMT
I've checked my journey history, and the fare charged earlier in the day from Victoria to Bermondsey was 80p instead of 60p (Priv discount), so something's not right. Perhaps I should wait until all the uploads are done for a proper journey history
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Post by greggygreggygreg on Apr 22, 2018 19:20:32 GMT
Why does TfL make such a fuss about tapping in and out correctly, but leave barriers open at Green Park Station due to overcrowding, but with people unable to touch out? All they are doing is causing congestion at the ticket barriers while passengers argue with gateline staff about being unable to touch out, and then being overcharged with staff just advising passengers to ring up their banks to tell them to cancel the transaction if using contactless, and those using Oystercards having to deal with the help desk at a later date?
Surely if barriers have to be opened, they should still enable people to touch out?
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Guards
Apr 13, 2018 19:01:09 GMT
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Post by greggygreggygreg on Apr 13, 2018 19:01:09 GMT
On the Underground it was always one ding to start, rather than two as on British Rail.
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Post by greggygreggygreg on Apr 1, 2018 20:37:51 GMT
For as long as I lived in London - I always wanted to be evacuated from a tube tunnel and I’d gladly climb through stairs like these! I mean, I’m sure such an event would be horribly traumatic for most people, but not for a railway enthusiast like myself :-D I do remember (probably about 30 years ago) being involved in an emergency evacuation exercise involving use of Old Ford Fan Shaft. It was an interesting experience
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