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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 19, 2008 17:43:01 GMT
South Quay is the only one equipped with lifts?
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 19, 2008 17:36:03 GMT
Typical right wing trash, and as to the views, well, its little more than a rant without knowing the situation. Maybe Richard Head Murray wrote them himself.
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 19, 2008 17:29:05 GMT
Is it Epping is the only one to have a kiosk on its platforms?
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 19, 2008 14:37:04 GMT
So the up Greenford's were terminated to cut congestion at Paddington? Was it something more sinister, like downgrading it, then closing it? A lot of the WR branches were similarly treated.
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 19, 2008 14:28:00 GMT
Look at the London Overground section, Signal failure at Willesden thread, Gappe has provided an informative post.
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 19, 2008 14:19:59 GMT
I agree about the work being Piccadilly Circus crossover, but I do now recollect some closure regarding the floodgates a few years back?
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 18, 2008 23:39:37 GMT
Thanks for the replies after my previous post, it is appreciated.
So, as I suspected, Angel is the odd one out on the Northern, if you discount, termini, interchanges and the like.
Hmm, interesting.
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 18, 2008 22:06:07 GMT
I'm sure someone told me that it was originally going to be a hotel and LUL took it over. A large version of Bates Motel no doubt, its an ugly building.
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 18, 2008 21:21:18 GMT
Interesting point Reg.
Are all platforms on the Northern line numbered 1 for the N/B, 2 for the S/B? [EXCEPT Angel and interchanges]
When I worked on Camden group [has seven stations] I kept forgetting about the Angel anomaly. Prior to the rebuilding, were Angel's platforms the opposite of what they are now?
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 18, 2008 20:13:16 GMT
Diverging slightly, engineering train drivers on Transplant doing nights are the highest paid drivers in the UK [apart from East Coast and Eurostar, according to ASLEF website] they get £44,500 pa.
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 18, 2008 19:42:26 GMT
The kiosk at Epping, does it sell Viz and Wispa bars?
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 17, 2008 10:48:24 GMT
You do get charter trains using this connection every now and again.
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 16, 2008 17:01:27 GMT
I am guessing it couldnt have been open pre late 1980s. Didnt White City close in the 1980s?
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 16, 2008 16:45:09 GMT
How could so many new and inexperienced staff make so many catalogue mistakes (especially if they're hotfoot off the end of their training) be allowed to get concentrated within one area? i.e. It is a very strange co-incidence for so many inobservant individuals all 'not noticing' something that should be so obvious, in an environment (and an area) where LUL staff are supposed to be *more* vigilant than usual, not the reverse. What if this had been Canary Wharf we had been talking about, for instance? North Greenwich is only one stop away. I was only slightly surprised at the time but, thinking about it now, I've actually started to feel a bit more angry. As the travelling public LUL and the BTP keep harping on at us to be more vigilant; how can staff be allowed to get to a point where they don't even notice the most basic, obvious things? Especially in rush hour. I wouldn't be surprised if someone told me that the station control room has no communication with the platform staff and no way of knowing if the platform doors fail to open. You would have thought though, that in this day and age, some sort of inhibit light could be triggered by the control room to say "something appears to be wrong, take a look back and see if you can see what it is". Plus there ought to be some sort of inhibit signal in the cab (I know, I know, you're all going to tell me that there isn't) that keeps the train stopped until it's reset - if the door/platform interface doesn't go through its proper cycle. I don't know enough about how the two systems interact, and I'm sure I'll learn that the two systems don't communicate with each other - but they should, and they should each provide a proper interlocking signal to each other to cause a *noticable* inhibit message to say "the proper cycle has not been completed". This should be something that the train operator can't just 'ignore' and drive away from - something might be *caught* in the doors, for instance. Incidentally, on the Bakerloo line a couple of days ago, the doors were opened while the train was still decelarating into the station. It raced through the platform at a far faster speed than usual, braked more forcefully than usual, coming to rest right at the last minute with an alarmingly 'last-minute' feel, but the doors were opening whilst the train was still doing around 10 to 5 mph. Thankfully no-one was pressed up the door but, if they had been, they would have just fallen back and left to slam into and slide along the platform. It just goes to show, you can have Rule Books and Standards and other safety briefings and booklets as long as your arm, but if common sense doesn't get a look-in, it's all fairly useless. I don't think anyone *really* knows what the words "Risk Assessment" *really* mean in the transport industry anymore - it simply seems to mean completing a contractual exercise - or rather, getting a "safety consultant" to complete a contractual exercise - than it does to simply have someone observe - or "ASSESS" - the everyday risks that are apparent when spotting poor and sloppy practices - and thinking about what the potential consequences can be. RA's wouldn't exist at all if it hadn't been for the KX fire in '87. I'm sure even if they had been, and a mere paeon had piped up "well, what about the risk of burning ciggie ends falling through the escalators?" they would have been told, "well, it's never been an issue before, so shut up. We only need to include risks that HSQE have identified as the types of risk that need to be assessed. If it's not in their template RA, we don't need to bother with it. Why make more work for ourselves?" What risks then, in 10 years' time, will be the ones that we look back on to say "well, they weren't considered then because they'd never been an issue before" (i.e. one that had caused an event that made the news, for very wrong reasons). "So many new and inexperienced staff". I think you misquoted me there Thirstquencher. I said it was the odd person here and there. I work on the Jubilee extension, the bulk of drivers and station staff are fully conversant in what they have to do. The station control room does have contact with platform staff [via the radio]. If this failed, then an autophone or the pa would be used. A visual alarm is triggered in the control alarm, if the PEDS fail to open/close, now the operator could have been reading a work document, or recording yet another pointless PA as dictated by HQ. The operator could have told the platform staff of the problem, who like I say could have got to the front of the train too late. I work in the control room, and you cant be staring continually at your systems for eight hours, you could close your eyes for a few seconds, to rest them, and something might happen, thats life. Now, in the normal course of things, a train enters the platform, it berths, the train doors open [pilot light extinguished] Peds open, blue platform status indicator extinguishes. Now in YOUR case, the blue light would have been there all the time as the PEDS remained closed. So once the train doors close and the pilot light obtained, its ok to depart. I would guess the train slightly missed the stopping mark, thats why the PEDS didnt open. The scenario I paint, be it new staff panicking etc is guesswork, we werent there, so no one knows what really happened. When I get back to work next week, I will see if I can find out anything.
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 15, 2008 17:09:55 GMT
Unlikely, that part of the World has high rates of unemployment.
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 15, 2008 16:58:41 GMT
Watford........alight here for Cassiobury Park.
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 15, 2008 16:32:33 GMT
The OP clearly states the train doors opened, but the PEDS [Platform doors] didnt open. Now to add my opinion, I would say it was a new driver who overshot the stopping mark, and when the PEDS didnt open, panicked, and realising the situation simply shut the train doors and went. What s/he should have done, is open his cab door via the back panel, flicked the switch to open the driver PED door and used his RKL 220 key to manually open all the PED doors [they would all open simultaneously], all of this takes about 5 seconds. As you know HB, if all was well, s/he would have saw 26 DSI's [door status indicators.....orange lights....one for each PED door] illuminated on his OPO monitor. If he didnt notice this, then s/he must have been seriously asleep. As to the platform staff, they in turn could have been new and hesitated, panicked even....or they could have been dealing with something at the end of the platform, by the time they walked to the front of the train, s/he was gone. There are lots of new drivers on the Jubilee, and you do get one here and there who needs a refresher in the PED operation....same as station staff.
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 15, 2008 16:17:55 GMT
The 313 could have had a fault, went out of service at Stratford, returned West, a little bit behind the preceding service, and the fault could then have cleared at Homerton....and control told the driver to enter service.
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 15, 2008 11:31:43 GMT
I have heard about the "Thank you, for travelling on the Jubilee Line" announcement, but not actually listened to it.......one colleague was telling me it is regularly played at Canary Wharf in the morning peak.....doesn't surprise me No doubt another pointless target dreamt up by an office bod.
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 11, 2008 14:28:52 GMT
It was a SPAD, and they did a wrong directional move to bring it back into the platform.
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 11, 2008 7:16:56 GMT
Homerton/Hackney Wick?
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 5, 2008 23:21:44 GMT
I can't believe RCI staff covered. I mean lets face it, if LUL ever wanted to get rid of a load of RCI's, and they threatened strike action it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference. It would be the RCI's who needed the station staff, and drivers to back them up ! They are one of few grades the company (from operation side) could survive and run perfectly without. So by scabbing they are certainly doing themselves no favours ! Interesting reading. www.rmtplatform.org.uk/node/245
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 4, 2008 20:09:00 GMT
Two trains were cancelled this morning.
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 3, 2008 21:58:10 GMT
Woodside Park doesnt have a cable arch.
Err, Burnt Oak?
[Wonders whether its Kingsbury pre 7 car running?]
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 3, 2008 21:53:29 GMT
Interesting reading on the Picc service manager's page for that and the next day. Namely the first call informing them of the LSP was garbled and didnt give much info, next day, they didnt bother ringing the Picc at all! ;D
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 3, 2008 21:47:30 GMT
The full facts havent come out, but I would say, he had physical contact with the attacker of some sort, whether it be a punch or pushing him away...who knows. The fact the police did nothing shows it wasnt a violent response.
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 3, 2008 17:59:59 GMT
Does anyone have an official LUL press office view on this matter? Some of you are also reminded to read the LUL media policy. I dont care about their media policy. What about their policy regarding sacking someone for defending themselves?
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 3, 2008 17:50:10 GMT
Folks, the male announcer at Kings X is real, he was interviewed on Radio 4 a few years back.
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 2, 2008 23:37:22 GMT
I like "Heart of the Angel". A copy of which was kindly given to me by a fellow member. The supervisor at Angel shown in the film [made in 1989?] is just like one I work with now. ;D
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Post by Tubeboy on Aug 2, 2008 0:33:18 GMT
Well it turns out that the station was staffed during the strike....by managers, admin staff gaining temporary licences.....and revenue staff. If there is one grade that gets assaulted, its revenue, nice to see them supporting their colleagues. And that's ultimately why station staff will always be a weak force during industrial action unfortunately.... If revenue showed some solidarity, things MAY have been different. I heard a few Bakerloo T/ops also striked from Elephant. This issue affects all frontline staff, trains side as well, and it would have been nice for more T/ops to drop tools....as they did recently with the detrainment issue North of Queens Park. Management pull every trick in the book to keep stations open. Obviously T/ops have a lot more muscle, as no trains= total strike. I hope everyone who kept them Bakerloo stations open has their conscience pricked sooner or later.
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