S-Stock on SSL

[Colin]

Aug 18, 2010 21:43:01 GMT @aspect said:

Again, the controllers job would be easier with better sheets/info provided to them to work with. (Though I often wonder why the "Analysis" sheets used by the DMTs don't play a bigger part in the Controllers info armoury?)

Because train crewing is the DMT's domain - controllers don't know what spares the DMT has, nor indeed whether it is a spare driver on a train only covering part of a duty or the booked person doing all of it (unless of course they ask), but in any case it's really something the controller dose not have the time to get bogged down with.

All the controller is interested in is regular gaps between trains, that they're on time, and whether or or a not a relief is due and where - that may dictate whether a reform or short trip is possible. This is all in the WTT, once the relief's have been marked up (using the analysis sheets funnily enough).

The analysis sheets are sometimes used if the controller feels it'll answer a question, but you have to keep in mind that the controller has to maintain an overview of the whole service - concentrating on a few trains and ignoring the rest isn't good practice and will soon tie a controller up in knots.

[Deleted]

So what will the line diagrams be on the S7's? Will they have all District, Circle and H&C together? Will they be divided as now?

[Chris M]

I would imagine that there would be one diagram, as it's probably going to be cheaper to design and keep up to date one map for the S7s than two.
Also, as the fleet is designed to be completely interchangeable, so a train that's doing Tower Hill-Ealing Broadway duties one day could be doing Hammersmith-Barking ones tomorrow, so you'd have to have two different diagrams in every car which is bound to confuse some people.

[t697]

Sept 15, 2010 11:55:52 GMT Chris M said:

I would imagine that there would be one diagram, as it's probably going to be cheaper to design and keep up to date one map for the S7s than two.
Also, as the fleet is designed to be completely interchangeable, so a train that's doing Tower Hill-Ealing Broadway duties one day could be doing Hammersmith-Barking ones tomorrow, so you'd have to have two different diagrams in every car which is bound to confuse some people.

It is indeed intended that S7 trains have a common line diagram. It's been designed some time ago and includes the complete Circle, District and Hammersmith & City lines. I think it is surprisingly easy to use. Obviously there will be an updated version by the time S7's arrive.

[electricmole]

Was I the only driver at Baker St (met) to take a C69 to Amersham on a Sunday? (blew it up on the way back though!)

[metman]

Today? No way, no wonder it died! Does it have a weak field? Poor thing....

[Ben]

Oooh, diagrams. Anyone have a link? And for a related historical question, when was the last time the Hammersmith branch appeared alongside the district main on one car diagram? CO/CP sometime in the early 70s maybe?

[littlebrute]

Just passed through Ealing Broadway on a FGW train and I swear I saw S Stock at one of the platforms. Can someone confirm please?

[DWS]

Dec 31, 2010 13:39:06 GMT littlebrute said:

Just passed through Ealing Broadway on a FGW train and I swear I saw S Stock at one of the platforms. Can someone confirm please?

No it was not a S stock train.

[littlebrute]

It had LU livery and what looked like a S Stock/09 stock front

[flippyff]

On this subject, will the S8/S7 stock be tested between Rayners Lane and Ealing Common?

TIA

Simon

[Colin]

Jan 1, 2011 3:19:53 GMT littlebrute said:

It had LU livery and what looked like a S Stock/09 stock front

I've got a suspicion you are confusing S/09ts (which are two very different sizes BTW!!) with the Central line's 92ts.

Here is a 92ts unashamedly pinched from Tubeprune's website:

[SE13]

Somewhere or other on Dave's site is a picture of a tube and SSL train side by side for comparison purposes.

[Deleted]

farm4.static.flickr.com/3623/3375028083_8d41aa1cb3_b.jpg

There is that picture... can't remember who took it now. 92ts along A60/62.

[Chris M]

There's also the following image of mine on Wikipedia, showing an end-on view of 1973 and A stocks at Rayners Lane

(click for image description page and other sizes)

[Deleted]

Jan 1, 2011 15:09:02 GMT @cj said:

farm4.static.flickr.com/3623/3375028083_8d41aa1cb3_b.jpg

There is that picture... can't remember who took it now. 92ts along A60/62.

Can I just ask, where was this picture taken? [Sorry for being ignorant...]

[Deleted]

Where? West Ruislip depot; the A stocks came in via the Ruislip/Ickenham Met siding.

[metrailway]

Another comparison image from Tubeprune's site ('59 vs A):

[ruislip]

Jan 1, 2011 20:11:19 GMT metrailway said:

Another comparison image from Tubeprune's site ('59 vs A):

That pic is a personal sentimental favorite of mine. Too bad we will never see both stocks together on the Uxbridge branch any more

[tubeprune]

Jan 1, 2011 20:11:19 GMT metrailway said:

Another comparison image from Tubeprune's site ('59 vs A):
www.trainweb.org/tubeprune/Tube-surface-dwg2.gif

Here's a modern version:

[littlebrute]

Oops! Sorry, yes it was 92 stock. I feel like a right idiot now!

[SE13]

Thanks for that one TP.

Jan 3, 2011 19:55:24 GMT littlebrute said:

Oops! Sorry, yes it was 92 stock. I feel like a right idiot now!

I wouldn't worry about it, I'm hopeless with SSL stock from a distance. They all rip me to shreds at meets for it, and drum it in, but I still can't tell it apart!

But then as a bus driver, I suppose the flip side of the coin is to be able to tell a make and model of a bus from the horizon.