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Post by cfmrc on Nov 21, 2024 7:31:06 GMT
Jim Watt has been very busy with the gate stock. The roof 3DP is a prototype and not yet fitted down correctly. The control car is currently being made. Tim
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Post by revupminster on Nov 21, 2024 7:25:09 GMT
I wonder if Old Oak Common is going to be a white elephant like Stratford, Ebbsfleet, and Ashford and just be used by local trains.
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Post by Colin D on Nov 21, 2024 1:57:46 GMT
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Post by Colin D on Nov 21, 2024 1:54:39 GMT
Answer: Southwark - ceiling of passage from platform to lower circulating area in July 2012 Bonus question: Why was this location chosen for today? Bonus answer: today is the station's 25th anniversary
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Post by Alight on Nov 20, 2024 23:27:23 GMT
re: the DLR, yes I can see how fixed and advertised route names could cause confusion, but it would be no worse than the (at times significant) confusion caused by S stock trains having two different route maps, or some of the service patterns on the SubSurface network where Circle Line and Hammersmith & City line trains sometimes serve non-standard destinations, eg: to Upminster. Also, some DLR route maps actually show fixed routes using different shades of turquoise. Why can't the trains be fitted with these dynamic displays: www.alamy.com/stock-photo-new-york-usa-november-22-2016-informative-sign-of-train-stops-in-times-146835792.html?imageid=67A5006C-BB84-4D3B-93B7-453C7A4BE44B&p=170194&pn=1&searchId=f86c09d66487084a72ccd65253d5ab76&searchtype=9 ? (The 'FIND' system deployed on some NYC subway trains) These would be super useful. Side note: the DLR is meant to be teal, not turquoise. The W&C line is turquoise. This seems to be standard practice with Underground lines, so I don't see much issue with this. e.g. on approach to Heron Quays, the DLR says "London Underground Jubilee line", at NR stations for the District the system says "London Underground Bakerloo line", on a LO train at Canada Water, you'd be invited to change for the "London Underground Jubilee line. Will customers please note......" Although I do think the Elinor Hamilton ones on the Watford DC, just say 'Bakerloo line', so there is a little discrepency there... The Elizabeth line doesn't specify London Underground so I wonder if that sets a precedent for a new, simplified standard.
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Post by gefw on Nov 20, 2024 21:57:33 GMT
It will good if the first CLIP train has now achieved a performance that doesn't need tech on anymore - this should probably mean it can run more hours (and in the peak) to support the customer service
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Post by xtmw on Nov 20, 2024 21:51:33 GMT
gefw It's a TSR which has been in place since February.
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Post by gefw on Nov 20, 2024 21:48:23 GMT
Its also still running in slow mode westbound Leyton - Stratford. but its not all bad news as the gentle swaying of the slow-moving train can be very soporific - ideal for a short nap! Trains also continue to accelerate (a little) as the front portion enters the platform area at Stratford. I would guess that is related to the ATO "coast" mode also being retained to try & ease stresses on motors (unless there are track issues requiring a speed restriction?)
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Post by xtmw on Nov 20, 2024 21:47:05 GMT
The tech should be off the first train soon, I think (?) the second train is still on track to enter service in December, happy to be corrected as I haven't heard what is going on CLIP wise in a few weeks.
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Post by jimbo on Nov 20, 2024 20:37:20 GMT
Was rather hoping to hear some steps back towards the normal service; With all the high profile attention, hopefully the cause of the upsurge in failures has been understood, the existing preemptive/control measures tightened and a new stock of brushes/springs obtained. The March TFL board report says both Internal and External specialist Engineers are on the case. Also hopefully motors have been released from the CLIP project team to bolster the maintenance team spares float and ease their repair loop. It seems that the "Internal and External specialist Engineers" haven't resulted in much difference in the overall situation 8 months on? CLIP hasn't resulted in even one more train entering service, now a year since the original was launched into public service! Is there any encouraging news?
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Post by jimbo on Nov 20, 2024 20:21:24 GMT
MTR, of course, operates the Hong Kong Mass Transit Railway amongst many worldwide contracts. They formerly operated London Overground 2007-16, but missed out on the next contract there also. I'm not aware of complaints against their efforts on the Elizabeth Line and guess it's all down to the small print of the tendered contracts. Perhaps GTS can do the job cheaper?
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Post by spsmiler on Nov 20, 2024 18:19:20 GMT
Its also still running in slow mode westbound Leyton - Stratford. but its not all bad news as the gentle swaying of the slow-moving train can be very soporific - ideal for a short nap!
Trains also continue to accelerate (a little) as the front portion enters the platform area at Stratford.
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Post by spsmiler on Nov 20, 2024 18:11:34 GMT
I plan to Tweet a TfL poster showing what the line names mean (why they were chosen) and after than I can add the image to this page. Similar to that posted in this thread on 15 February Aha, its so long ago that I'd forgotten about it - so change to plan B - I've linked to that message instead! That post includes more information than I was going to put in to the Tweet. districtdavesforum.co.uk/post/525580
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Post by goldenarrow on Nov 20, 2024 17:10:16 GMT
Indeed it is
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Post by gefw on Nov 20, 2024 16:54:25 GMT
Is the central line still running this reduced "emergency" timetable?
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Post by Chris M on Nov 20, 2024 16:31:45 GMT
Stations beginning with B is part of it, but not all of it.
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Post by greatkingrat on Nov 20, 2024 16:12:05 GMT
I was assuming it was just stations beginning with B, but maybe it is something more complicated!
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Post by Chris M on Nov 20, 2024 15:43:28 GMT
From the linked press release:
Go Ahead have (jointly) operated multiple NR franchises, most recently Southeastern. Tokyo Metro obviously have experience in Tokyo but also in Hanoi, Vietnam. Sumitomo Corporation I've not heard of before, but from their Wikipedia article they seem likely to have experience with railway maintenance on the Manila Metro. Whether this is an upgrade from, the same as or worse than MTR I'm not qualified to say. Obviously TfL think they will be at least equally good or they wouldn't have signed the contract, but from the limited commentary I've seen from those more knowledgeable than me I would caution against expecting dramatic improvements.
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Post by Chris M on Nov 20, 2024 15:27:19 GMT
Correct on both counts, but why?
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Post by Chris M on Nov 20, 2024 15:26:17 GMT
That IS a remarkable degree of flexibility. Any plans to rationalise it out? Not that I know of, and I'm struggling to think of what the benefits of doing so would be. As a couple of examples of what they can do that I've directly experienced, a couple of years back there was a gas leak between Crossharbour and South Quay. With very little fuss they were able to operate services between Lewisham and Crossharbour and between Canary Wharf and Bank, with a one-train single-line shuttle between South Quay and Canary Wharf without impacting the Stratford-Canary Wharf service. At Canary Wharf the Bank service reversed in platforms 5 and 6, the Stratford service in 3 and 4 as normal and the South Quay service in 1 and 2. (Each track serves two platforms). Some years back now I was at Canning Town late at night when there was an extended gap between services to Beckton. A unit was found (I don't know where from) and arrived wrong road into the eastbound high level platform, before boarding passengers and departing eastbound. One I've heard about but not directly experienced is when a train in one of the platforms at Bank has an issue preventing movement, the trains are diverted to run on the other track and reverse in the platform. Obviously this is much lower capacity than normal but it does allow a service to be run, and it is very quick to recover from when the problem is resolved.
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Post by xtmw on Nov 20, 2024 15:22:23 GMT
For those like myself who aren't familiar with the new company, is this an upgrade from MTR? Is it worse? Do the new contractors have experience operating a railway? Or is just simply neutral?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Nov 20, 2024 15:02:40 GMT
I plan to Tweet a TfL poster showing what the line names mean (why they were chosen) and after than I can add the image to this page. Similar to that posted in this thread on 15 February
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Post by AndrewPSSP on Nov 20, 2024 14:13:14 GMT
This seems to be standard practice with Underground lines, so I don't see much issue with this. e.g. on approach to Heron Quays, the DLR says "London Underground Jubilee line", at NR stations for the District the system says "London Underground Bakerloo line", on a LO train at Canada Water, you'd be invited to change for the "London Underground Jubilee line. Will customers please note......" Although I do think the Elinor Hamilton ones on the Watford DC, just say 'Bakerloo line', so there is a little discrepency there... I have one positive from T fL's lack of money to update all the systems though: it looks like we'll have another few years of Celia Drummond's "Change here for London Overground?" on the Jubilee.
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Post by spsmiler on Nov 20, 2024 13:37:43 GMT
The Mayor has been at some sort of launch event for the new Overground line names - and has been slammed by opponents because the re-namings are costing £6.3m which opponents say should have been spent in other ways, such as helping homeless people.
This has also been called a vanity project to create a lasting legacy for his term as Mayor of London.
I plan to Tweet a TfL poster showing what the line names mean (why they were chosen) and after than I can add the image to this page.
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re: the DLR, yes I can see how fixed and advertised route names could cause confusion, but it would be no worse than the (at times significant) confusion caused by S stock trains having two different route maps, or some of the service patterns on the SubSurface network where Circle Line and Hammersmith & City line trains sometimes serve non-standard destinations, eg: to Upminster. Also, some DLR route maps actually show fixed routes using different shades of turquoise.
(I hope my comments here are seen as just reporting facts without political bias)
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Post by johnlinford on Nov 20, 2024 11:52:56 GMT
Southwark, opened 25 years ago today
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Post by jimbo on Nov 20, 2024 11:36:55 GMT
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Post by greatkingrat on Nov 20, 2024 10:22:33 GMT
So Green Park is the odd one out and should be replaced by Baker Street?
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Post by brigham on Nov 20, 2024 8:54:57 GMT
That IS a remarkable degree of flexibility.
Any plans to rationalise it out?
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Post by Colin D on Nov 20, 2024 2:49:14 GMT
Question: (click for a larger version) Bonus question: Why was this location chosen for today?
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Post by Colin D on Nov 20, 2024 2:43:47 GMT
Answer: Location A: Bayswater - planters above outer rail platforms in February 2019 [ xplaistow ] (click for a larger version) Location B: Green Park - emergency exit to park from top of lifts in March 2023 [Chris M] (click for a larger version) Location C: Borough - rendezvous point in April 2016 [Chris M] (click for a larger version) Location D: Bethnal Green (LU) - bench on eastound platform in July 2013 [Chris M] (click for a larger version)
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