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Post by railtechnician on Dec 27, 2010 20:42:31 GMT
It could be renamed "Church Street" or "Paddington Green". ;D I'd plump for Paddington Green as it is right opposite Paddington Green police station! |
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Post by railtechnician on Dec 27, 2010 20:50:49 GMT
Edgware Road ..... which starts at Marble Arch and goes west, not north! No it doesn't - it's nearer north than west, about 30 west of north (or north-by-north-west!). But unlike examples such as Lyndhurst Road, it is not, and never has been, the nearest station to its namesake town. Examples like Ruislip, Acton (ML), Tooting etc were, when opened, the nearest to their namesakes - later arrivals may have got closer but had to use a suffix to distinguish from the earlier example, even if they were closer to the town centre - see for example Tooting Broadway which is much more central than plain Tooting. Occasionally, place names get hijacked by stations some distance awayfrom their actual location - Holborn is one example, Clapham Junction is another - many people still confuse Clapham station with CJ, even now its been renamed Clapham High Street. But it would be if the station serving it was named after it. In the same way everyone would know where Fitzrovia and Bloomsbury were if the stations serving those areas were so named. Holborn station is on the corner of High Holborn and Kingsway, whilst Chancery Lane is at the junction of Holborn / High Holborn / Grays Inn Road, with Chancery Lane located 100m to the west. When the respective stations were opened, the names were more accurate. True for Chancery Lane, because the entrance moved when escalators replaced lifts, but not for Holborn which has always been on High Holborn rather than Holborn proper. Perhaps it should have been named Kingsway. Not now but in the past Kingsway might've been a better name for Chancery Lane! The Kingsway GPO tandem exchange built in government tube tunnels was once accessible directly from the Chancery lane platforms! Of course the exchange was closed by BT some years ago with the coming of digital switching and the tunnels were up for sale two or three years ago. |
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Post by railtechnician on Dec 27, 2010 20:56:24 GMT
anyway, back to the edgware roads. the bakerloo one should stay as edgware road as it is the one out of the two actually on edgware road, the H&C/Circle/Wimbleware stn is on chapel street (the main building with the nice old exterior similar to farringdon and willesden green) so why not call it chapel street. easiest option to cause the littlest confusion and make the most sense. Then further confusion might ensue with people thinking it is near Chapel Street market, which of course is near the Angel. Say what you may, the naming of stations is far from an exact science just as is the naming of cities, towns, villages, roads and streets because we all have different but otherwise equally meaningful references from which to work! |
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Post by Chris M on Dec 28, 2010 16:51:28 GMT
Brent Cross springs to mind - some distance away from Brent Cross Shopping Centre. Which came first though - the station being named "Brent Cross" or the shopping centre being built? Similarly if it were opened today, Gallions Reach DLR station would probably be named something like "Gallions Roundabout" or "Armarda Way" as it's not particularly close to the later-opened shopping park. |
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Post by Oracle on Dec 28, 2010 17:16:55 GMT
I think it was renamed to Brent Cross after the shopping centre but may be wrong.
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Post by norbitonflyer on Dec 28, 2010 17:18:16 GMT
Which came first though - the station being named "Brent Cross" or the shopping centre being built? The station was renamed in 1976 to co-incide with the opening of the Shopping Centre. When the station was opened the Brent Cross junction (between the North Circular Road and Hendon Way) did not exist. Brent is a confusing name for the station as the river of that name curls through much of north and west London (to end at Brentford, of course) |
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Post by railtechnician on Dec 28, 2010 18:03:19 GMT
Brent Cross springs to mind - some distance away from Brent Cross Shopping Centre. Which came first though - the station being named "Brent Cross" or the shopping centre being built? Similarly if it were opened today, Gallions Reach DLR station would probably be named something like "Gallions Roundabout" or "Armarda Way" as it's not particularly close to the later-opened shopping park. I've no idea what's there now but when Gallions Reach DLR was built there was nothing there but heaps of mud and the roundabout and the only view was of an area that had been used to film battle scenes in a war movie. It was a freezing, windy and very inhospitable place and that included the wooden huts of the temporary installation depot which was the only shelter around. |
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Post by Chris M on Dec 28, 2010 20:59:59 GMT
There's not much more there now. A couple of what I think are Warehouses are on the opposite side to the roundabout (but not accessible from that direction). The UEL Docklands campus residences are within walking distance, as are some new flats on the opposite side of the bridge over the dock from the campus (both about 5-10 minutes walk). The shopping park is 15-20 minutes walk away via the road past Beckton depot (the shorter road is vehicles only).
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Post by younglulnerd on Dec 29, 2010 18:32:47 GMT
There's not much more there now. But, when/if the Dagenham Dock extension is built, i think it will become much more of a major area and station. |
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Post by Chris M on Dec 29, 2010 20:55:28 GMT
The immediate area around Gallions Reach station wont (imho). If there is going to be any major building in the area due to the Dagenham Dock extension it will be at Beckton Riverside (which will be a more convenient station for Gallions Reach shopping park than is Gallions Reach station).
The University are part-way through building a significant new sports facility on the "tear-drop site" between the DLR (where it transitions from cutting to viaduct) and Royal Albert Way. This is mid-way between Cyprus and Gallions Reach stations, so any increase due to it will probably be split between the two with Cyprus (having the better walking route and being closer to London) getting the lion's share.
Other than that, I don't see much chance of anything other than more residential (and given the proximity to the airport and sewage works, it's not the most desirable of locations) and large warehousing. Which will be built between Gallions Reach and where Beckton Riverside will be.
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Post by PGtrips on Jan 12, 2011 14:01:24 GMT
It could be renamed "Church Street" or "Paddington Green". ;D I'd plump for Paddington Green as it is right opposite Paddington Green police station! If you went for Paddington Green, would that not add further confusion for the (much busier) Paddington mainline, Praed St, H&C and Bakerloo complex, which I'm sure has been discussed in one of the sub-surface threads. Surprised that no one has yet mentioned the arch anomaly of all of these of 'Monument for Bank'. Surely the way to manage this in a helpful way is with DVAs and possible extra signage saying 'this is XYZ, alight/change here for ABC'? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2011 17:17:09 GMT
Which came first though - the station being named "Brent Cross" or the shopping centre being built? The station was renamed in 1976 to co-incide with the opening of the Shopping Centre. When the station was opened the Brent Cross junction (between the North Circular Road and Hendon Way) did not exist. Brent is a confusing name for the station as the river of that name curls through much of north and west London (to end at Brentford, of course) When the line was built it straddled the valley of the River Brent the reason that there is a viaduct just north of the station. The shopping centre took it's name also from the river and the numerous cross roads therefore Brent Cross. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2011 22:44:01 GMT
I'd like Tfl to consider re-naming Redbridge Station. Something along the lines of "Welcome To The A12 Well It Took You At Least An Hour At A Crawl To Get Here From Debden, Only A Few Miles Away On The M11 On Monday Morning, Sell Your Car Sucker Station".
Admittedly, it wouldn't sit too well within the LUL roundel but it'd make me feel better each week...............
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2011 23:07:33 GMT
I'd plump for Paddington Green as it is right opposite Paddington Green police station! If you went for Paddington Green, would that not add further confusion for the (much busier) Paddington mainline, Praed St, H&C and Bakerloo complex, which I'm sure has been discussed in one of the sub-surface threads. Surprised that no one has yet mentioned the arch anomaly of all of these of 'Monument for Bank'. Surely the way to manage this in a helpful way is with DVAs and possible extra signage saying 'this is XYZ, alight/change here for ABC'? You'll still get the right plonkers looking at it on the map as such. Monument is shown as an interchange with Bank, rather an oddity. |
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Post by rincew1nd on Jan 12, 2011 23:18:18 GMT
ISTRT Bank/Monument is classed as one station with two names, depending on where you are. The Paddingtons are two stations with one name (separate bits).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2011 0:04:48 GMT
ISTRT Bank/Monument is classed as one station with two names, depending on where you are. The Paddingtons are two stations with one name (separate bits). Monument and Bank are seamingly IMHO about as far a walk from each other as Dalston Junction/Kingsland and White City/Wood Lane. Just how far is this interchange stuff going to go? Most inner London stations are within easy walking distance of one another. If you take it to it's logical extreme, and to encourage a healthier lifestyle, you'd shut 50% of them as irrelevant. |
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Post by Bighat on Jan 13, 2011 14:37:46 GMT
I'd like Tfl to consider re-naming Redbridge Station. Something along the lines of "Welcome To The A12 Well It Took You At Least An Hour At A Crawl To Get Here From Debden, Only A Few Miles Away On The M11 On Monday Morning, Sell Your Car Sucker Station". Admittedly, it wouldn't sit too well within the LUL roundel but it'd make me feel better each week............... Actualy living there, I can tell you that the staff would have it renamed 'no madam, you have to get off at Barkingside Station for Redbridge MAGISTRATES Court and if you want Redbridge COLLEGE you will need to get a 66 bus from outside, its three miles away at Little Heath'. |
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Post by younglulnerd on Jan 13, 2011 19:01:39 GMT
Wood Lane could have been done better. Why isn't it an interchange with White City anyway? There's nothing in the way i think, i can't remember. Dalston Junction could have too, but that admittidly would have been harder there, but don't show those where you have to walk at street level as interchanges. Paddington C, D & B should be renamed Praed Street; Edgware Rd Bakerloo should too, hense this thread; Northern should stop at Monument as it looks like it could stop there making the connection easier for tourists (that easily get confused) the elderly and the lazy  |
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Post by londonstuff on Jan 13, 2011 19:46:07 GMT
Wood Lane could have been done better. Why isn't it an interchange with White City anyway? There's nothing in the way i think, i can't remember. Dalston Junction could have too, but that admittidly would have been harder there, but don't show those where you have to walk at street level as interchanges. Paddington C, D & B should be renamed Praed Street; Edgware Rd Bakerloo should too, hense this thread; Northern should stop at Monument as it looks like it could stop there making the connection easier for tourists (that easily get confused) the elderly and the lazy I've never quite understood why Wood Lane and White City were linked up either, given that it looks perfectly feasible. Cost, I suppose. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2011 16:45:01 GMT
Wood Lane could have been done better. Why isn't it an interchange with White City anyway? There's nothing in the way i think, i can't remember. It would be easier if they closed the present White City station and reopened the original Central London Railway Wood Lane station. I'd need to check the relevant issue of London Railway Record, but I think this was linked to the original H&C White City station - possibly only while the Franco-British Exhibition was on. Northern should stop at Monument as it looks like it could stop there making the connection easier for tourists (that easily get confused) the elderly and the lazy Err... Bank and Monument are linked. IIRC it's actrually less far to walk from the Northern Line to Monument (District/Circle) than to the Central Line platforms at Bank. |
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Post by Chris M on Jan 14, 2011 16:51:12 GMT
Err... Bank and Monument are linked. IIRC it's actrually less far to walk from the Northern Line to Monument (District/Circle) than to the Central Line platforms at Bank. That depends on which end of the Northern Line platforms you are. Certainly at the moment it's far easier to get to the SSR than the Central, but that's due to the ongoing works. This post from the old London Connections blog includes a useful diagram of the Bank-Monument complex. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2011 16:52:46 GMT
The Northern Line platform link is rather close at Monument!
It wouldn't be easier to reopen Wood Lane; White City has 3 platforms, Wood Lane would require a LOT of work that is unfeasible. The latter has 3 platforms due to the depot; tipping out trains on the mainline would require far too long.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2011 22:13:09 GMT
Apart from anything else, the "extended" interchanges have made an utter mess of the Underground map. Those, and the "wheelchair access" symbols and my persistent bug-bear, the southern reaches of the stumpy ELL have reduced a once iconic rendition of London to a shambles.
Edgware Road...........I know it's drifted a bit since the OP and this is only a marginal redemption but surely the Peekaboo and the Hammer, Dysentry and Cyclone stations qualify for a double black circle interchange symbol as much as White City/Wood Lane do?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2011 5:09:48 GMT
It wouldn't be easier to reopen Wood Lane; White City has 3 platforms, Wood Lane would require a LOT of work that is unfeasible. The latter has 3 platforms due to the depot; tipping out trains on the mainline would require far too long. Not only that, but the E/B platform at Wood Lane was demolished to make way for the new depot entry road, while the W/B platform is on an abandoned alignment. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Jan 15, 2011 17:05:43 GMT
Edgware Road...........I know it's drifted a bit since the OP and this is only a marginal redemption but surely the Peekaboo and the Hammer, Dysentry and Cyclone stations qualify for a double black circle interchange symbol as much as White City/Wood Lane do? No, because it's not a useful interchange - it's always easier to change lines at Padd or Baker Street |
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