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Post by melikepie on Sept 20, 2021 19:51:12 GMT
Also saw Jago Hazzard if you want a different video.
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Post by melikepie on Sept 20, 2021 20:22:01 GMT
Geoff Marshall has posted his new video on the NLE Slightly off-topic and funnily enough but Geoff's mention of "Chris from District Dave" brought me back here.
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Post by jamesb on Sept 20, 2021 21:30:29 GMT
I went along this afternoon - the stations are very impressive and it was so uplifting to see something so positive, especially local people looking excited. There was a real buzz.
On my way there, I was slightly confused at Kennington - to work out what platform and train to catch, but that might just be me!
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Post by silenthunter on Sept 20, 2021 21:40:28 GMT
DVA at Battersea Power Station: "This station is Battersea Power Station. Exit here for National Rail services from Battersea Park and Queenstown Road." Aren't those both OSIs?
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Post by slugabed on Sept 20, 2021 21:53:44 GMT
On my way there, I was slightly confused at Kennington - to work out what platform and train to catch, but that might just be me! The indicators at Kennington today were sub-optimal. Terminators were described as "Out of Service" and Battersea trains as "Check front of train"
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Post by ijmad on Sept 21, 2021 0:20:33 GMT
According to Geoff's video, the service to BPSS will be increased to 10tph/12tph before the Bank blockade next year. Kind of surprising. Maybe the pandemic has worked in TfL's favour and they expect to cope with the AM peak from Morden with only 20tph after all.
Or could they turn some northbound trains from Morden at Kennington using the siding? Looks like a very convoluted move, if it's even possible.
Or maybe the TfL rep just misspoke.
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Post by North End on Sept 21, 2021 1:06:13 GMT
According to Geoff's video, the service to BPSS will be increased to 10tph/12tph before the Bank blockade next year. Kind of surprising. Maybe the pandemic has worked in TfL's favour and they expect to cope with the AM peak from Morden with only 20tph after all. Or could they turn some northbound trains from Morden at Kennington using the siding? Looks like a very convoluted move, if it's even possible. Or maybe the TfL rep just misspoke. It isn’t possible to do that move via the siding. It’s possible to get in there from the NB (albeit blocking everything for the duration of the move), but there is no signalled move back out to the SB. Generally TBTC replicated what existed hitherto - very little additional functionality was provided. It would be a useful signalled move for when a defective train gets dumped in the siding and needs to get to Morden Depot at or near close of traffic. It is possible to authorise the train out as an unsignalled move, but this isn’t really ideal - it has happened a few times though. TBTC allows the points to be keyed on the system (known in Seltrac terminology as being “reserved”), and subject to appropriate confirmation and safeguards then the signalman can authorise the move verbally. I’ll see if I can find the plans for the Bank closure service - the quoted figures seem a little suspect to me, even with the SARS-CoV-2 drops in passenger numbers.
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Post by jimbo on Sept 21, 2021 4:52:17 GMT
Here's a few photos from the first train ... Last photo presume shows red lights in the overrun tunnel. They look close. Is it possible to hide a defective train in there like on Vic. line for example?
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Post by jimbo on Sept 21, 2021 4:56:09 GMT
extract from new Tube Map: If I was going from Clapham to Waterloo, I think I would chose interchange to Bakerloo at Elephant, as it looks quicker despite extra stop!
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Post by Dstock7080 on Sept 21, 2021 5:42:05 GMT
Is it possible to hide a defective train in there like on Vic. line for example? No siding beyond the red lights Stabling in platform area only.
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Post by brigham on Sept 21, 2021 7:29:19 GMT
Nine Elms has a White City look about it.
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Post by brigham on Sept 21, 2021 7:36:20 GMT
Well, I don't know where you would find it written down, but so far when a service runs between two points on line, a continuous line of the correct colour is shown on the map between them. . Croxley to Rickmansworth? Yes, like Croxley to Rickmansworth.
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Post by Chris L on Sept 21, 2021 8:38:49 GMT
Is it possible to hide a defective train in there like on Vic. line for example? No siding beyond the red lights Stabling in platform area only. The overrun tunnels were descoped when the extra trains for the line were cancelled.
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Post by vincenture on Sept 21, 2021 11:44:22 GMT
Geoff Marshall has posted his new video on the NLE Slightly off-topic and funnily enough but Geoff's mention of "Chris from District Dave" brought me back here. Seen several forum members on techntrain's video too, hope all of you had fun there!
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Post by spsmiler on Sept 21, 2021 12:03:39 GMT
From what I have seen on Twitter I thought Battersea Power Station (Station) reminded me of the Jubilee line extension a bit Both stations are much much better than the Jubilee line extension. (Crossrail has a different style and scale) Another present-era station like BPSS with escalators / stairs at both ends is Stratford International DLR. But here the platforms are sub-surface and the escalators lead to ground level. I expected modern stations but when I entered them from street I experienced a wow factor as the escalators reached their lower landings. At platform level I noted the passive provision for platform screen doors I shared these tweets just before midnight but was too whacked to share them further. Apologies for the spelling mistake (to to should have been to two) - as ever I only proof-read what I had written after having pressed the 'publish' button). Nine ElmsThe station's core design reminded me of Gants Hill. Escalators lead down to a spacious waiting area with a high ceiling that extends for about half the length of a train and is located between the two side platforms.
Battersea Power Station station
I now have a video to make!
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Post by Chris L on Sept 21, 2021 12:14:27 GMT
Both stations are much much better than the Jubilee line extension...) In what ways are the NLE stations much much better? Truly curious as I'm not able to visit them for a long while. Much better design and space. Use of colour too. Look at the videos on the thread.
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Post by spsmiler on Sept 21, 2021 12:42:33 GMT
In what ways are the NLE stations much much better? Truly curious as I'm not able to visit them for a long while. Much better design and space. Use of colour too. Look at the videos on the thread. JLE stations (such as Canary Wharf and North Greenwich) seem dark, dingy and heavy when compared to the NLE.
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Post by holborncentral on Sept 21, 2021 13:49:50 GMT
Both stations are much much better than the Jubilee line extension...) In what ways are the NLE stations much much better? Truly curious as I'm not able to visit them for a long while. Same. I don't know when I'll be able to visit them either
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Post by A60stock on Sept 21, 2021 15:29:18 GMT
cant help but think that only having two platforms at Battersea will be a massive oversight in the long run? I know its not busy right now but come 5 years time or so......
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Post by sd826e on Sept 21, 2021 18:46:59 GMT
In what ways are the NLE stations much much better? Truly curious as I'm not able to visit them for a long while. Same. I don't know when I'll be able to visit them either Ditto
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Post by ijmad on Sept 21, 2021 20:12:02 GMT
cant help but think that only having two platforms at Battersea will be a massive oversight in the long run? I know its not busy right now but come 5 years time or so...... I think Brixton demonstrates that it's possible to turn a lot of trains in two platforms with ATO and a good scissor crossover
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Post by superteacher on Sept 21, 2021 20:49:56 GMT
Trains running into Brixton can enter the platforms at full line speed due to the overruns. Even with ATO, there are no overruns at Battersea meaning a slower entry and thus lower maximum frequency.
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Post by A60stock on Sept 21, 2021 20:51:08 GMT
Brixton allows full speed entry and departure in and out of the platforms right? Is the same applicable for the NLE at Battersea PS?
The Victoria line is from another era and at the time, you can forgive planners for only using 2 platforms as it was during the 60s! I also imagine its hard to expand an below ground station like brixton.
However, with the NLE, its brand new so surely these days, you would build three for a line with such a high frequency rather than rely on everything else!
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Post by Chris L on Sept 21, 2021 21:01:38 GMT
Brixton allows full speed entry and departure in and out of the platforms right? Is the same applicable for the NLE at Battersea PS? The Victoria line is from another era and at the time, you can forgive planners for only using 2 platforms as it was during the 60s! I also imagine its hard to expand an below ground station like brixton. However, with the NLE, its brand new so surely these days, you would build three for a line with such a high frequency rather than rely on everything else! Three platforms would have added a substantial amount to the costs and I'm not sure the space would have been made available by the developers.
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Post by ijmad on Sept 21, 2021 21:44:03 GMT
Trains running into Brixton can enter the platforms at full line speed due to the overruns. Even with ATO, there are no overruns at Battersea meaning a slower entry and thus lower maximum frequency. Fair enough, TIL, although presumably BPSS won't need a 36ph service for a few decades...
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Post by dm1 on Sept 21, 2021 21:50:21 GMT
I guess by the time two platforms becomes a serious limitation, it will be worth extending the line further (towards Clapham Junction?), where sufficient platforms can be built for the demand by then.
Alternatively, maybe we will have moved away from more or less requiring all reversing to occur at platforms. With future walk-through trains, there is no real reason to require a train that is reversing straight back into the station to be cleared so diligently of passengers. Then you could build a few extra reversing sidings behind the station, which are significantly cheaper than extra platforms and would provide far more capacity. I realise that may be a slightly controversial opinion here, but termini configured in this way on metro systems are standard practice around the world - and given the NLE is new, the arguments about it not being possible due to the age of the system don't really hold.
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Post by North End on Sept 21, 2021 22:30:19 GMT
I guess by the time two platforms becomes a serious limitation, it will be worth extending the line further (towards Clapham Junction?), where sufficient platforms can be built for the demand by then. Alternatively, maybe we will have moved away from more or less requiring all reversing to occur at platforms. With future walk-through trains, there is no real reason to require a train that is reversing straight back into the station to be cleared so diligently of passengers. Then you could build a few extra reversing sidings behind the station, which are significantly cheaper than extra platforms and would provide far more capacity. I realise that may be a slightly controversial opinion here, but termini configured in this way on metro systems are standard practice around the world - and given the NLE is new, the arguments about it not being possible due to the age of the system don't really hold. I don’t think any of this need be too much of an issue. It is quite possible to run very high frequencies off two platforms, with stepping back and sharp operating. Indeed there’s an argument to say that two platforms are better than three as it makes it easier to keep on top of what’s going on - you don’t suddenly have an issue if a train comes into the wrong platform and a driver needs to cross a footbridge. The benefit of a third platform is more as a bolthole if a train should sit down for any reason. I suspect the decision not to provide the overrun sidings may come back to bite in time.
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Post by t697 on Sept 22, 2021 7:43:27 GMT
The indicators at Kennington today were sub-optimal. Terminators were described as "Out of Service" and Battersea trains as "Check front of train" Reportedly the indicators on Kennington platform 2 (the one for Battersea) are working correctly from this morning. Also, from Monday 20th September, rollout is underway of the next train software update, which adds '... change for Battersea ...' to trips passing through Kennington on other routes. Should all be done in a couple of weeks.
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Post by spsmiler on Sept 22, 2021 23:26:01 GMT
Finally completed my film...
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Post by jimbo on Sept 23, 2021 1:45:23 GMT
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