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Post by superteacher on Jan 16, 2008 23:44:30 GMT
The Watford extension will happen - it's crucial to the improvement of London Overground services. And as for the Central getting new stock - that will be a long wait - around 2025 to 2030 me thinks! Well, that's if they last that long!
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Post by suncloud on Jan 17, 2008 0:14:31 GMT
The Picadilly is the next tube line due new stock after the 09... 2011-2014 ish I gather. So maybe we'll see 73's at Watford, but Victoria stock would be better.
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Post by Tomcakes on Jan 17, 2008 0:22:43 GMT
The Picadilly is the next tube line due new stock after the 09... 2011-2014 ish I gather. So maybe we'll see 73's at Watford, but Victoria stock would be better. I seem to recall reading that the 73ts is slightly longer than the 72ts, as the Piccadilly has less severe curves than the Bakerloo & Northern. Hence, I'm not sure that you could get a 73ts down there. Leading on from that, is it likely we will see stocks that can and are work multiple lines / change lines midway through life? Like the 38, 59, 72 stocks which worked on many lines. Stock these days appears to be designed line specific - 73 being longer, 92 having ATO etc.
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Post by metman on Jan 17, 2008 0:27:09 GMT
The idea was to use the 1972 Mk1 cars (currently hiding in the middle of the 67ts trains) to make up the 7 ish extra trains for the serivce. This would reduce costs. In fact there are 7 A end DM, and 9 D end DM of 72 mk1ts along with 15 trailers on the Vic Line currently making 31 cars in total.
Therefore, there are just enough cars of 72mk1 stock to be placed at the outer ends of the trains. The 7 A end DM that face south will be fine, 7 of the 9 D end DM will face North, one can stay a middle motor and the other can displace D end UNDM 3399 that currently faces North (this can revert to an A end UNDM). The OPO equipment from the 67ts can be installed in the 72mk1 DM. These middle 72s don't have ATO equipment so they won't need to be removed, and if inner end 67 DMs are used in the middle of trains they won't need many mods either. The trailers can be made up of spare 72 and 67 trailers. The only difficulty could be forming 3 car units out of the 4 car 67/72 stock. The trailers in these units may need a little modification. Thankfully, the interiors of the Bakerloo and Victoria lines are the same except the Bakerloo has different seats and colours.
Finally, this will mean that 6 Bakerloo trains will have two inner end cabs in, but this can't be helped! All that's needed then is a lick of paint! For trains that will have to last up to 10 years I think the costs will be justified and the Overground need the extra trains from the DC line.
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Post by towerman on Jan 17, 2008 2:26:36 GMT
Wiring up the cabs for OPO is quite complicated,don't forget when those 72TS went onto the Victoria they were conventional 2PO trains,plus the cabs never had radio fitted.
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Post by metman on Jan 17, 2008 19:24:24 GMT
Indeed but some of the equipment can be taken from withdrawn 67ts. Anyway it will be worth the cost I think.
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Post by Ben on Feb 2, 2008 2:20:08 GMT
The Northern Line has cars 17.77m long, which is very compariable to the Piccs 17.68m, and at first 1983 tube stock (similar in length again) was allowed on the Bakerloo with special authorisation (not London Road Depot though!)
I would argue the opposite of Tomcakes here; stock is becoming more and more similar. The Jubilee and Northern have very similar body shells (albeit different equipment), the Picc has similar car length to both, then you have the 'S' stock...the only group that isnt seemingly standardising is the BCV.
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Post by Ben on Feb 2, 2008 2:32:41 GMT
Ok...If you can't put 67's on there due to cost, then run 6 car D stock trains released from the District by S Stock between Watford Junction and Wembley Central/Euston, converted to 3rd rail as a stop gap measure till a new all encompassing fleet can be orderd. That way you can make the most of their refurb, release 313's for other tasks, and keep to a minimum the amount of new stock to be orderd!
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Post by metman on Feb 2, 2008 11:10:28 GMT
Nice idea but you wouldn't need the D stock because the DC could be run by all 313s. Those shifted by the electrostars from the North London Railway would be used. Bascially, the Richmond-Stratford service would be using the new trains and the Watford-Euston line using 313s.
I really like the idea of using 67ts on the Bakerloo and I hope it goes ahead. I wonder if the Bakerloo would run some late evening semi-fast services to Watford Junction? All stations to Queens Park, then Wembley Central, Harrow & Wealdstone and Watford Junction!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2008 20:46:20 GMT
I really like the idea of using 67ts on the Bakerloo and I hope it goes ahead. I wonder if the Bakerloo would run some late evening semi-fast services to Watford Junction? All stations to Queens Park, then Wembley Central, Harrow & Wealdstone and Watford Junction!! Please don't forget Bushey!
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Post by metman on Feb 3, 2008 12:25:00 GMT
It didn't stop there the other night! Does it normally?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2008 20:20:03 GMT
No, but it should... Bushey gets a 30-minute headway during the day (except for a 40-min gap in the AM peak). At night and all day Sunday the service all but disintegrates.
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Post by metman on Feb 3, 2008 23:49:11 GMT
This was at about 0030 tho! The whole DC line serivce is rubbish anyway! It would be nice to have 6tph, certainly in the peaks!!
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