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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2014 21:34:17 GMT
I really can't get my head around how someone can spew forth so much vitriol and contempt for something as inoffensive as the C-stock. As far as I can tell, they've trundled on for 40-odd years, doing their job reliably, if not excitingly. I have as much fondness for them as I do the other older types, and will miss their rattly "real train" charm, which is something that - quality though it undoubtedly is - all the shiny plastic in the world will never be able to emulate.
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Post by a60 on Jan 18, 2014 22:51:03 GMT
The C Stock are less than popular due to their apparent unreliability, speaking of which, does anyone have any fleet figure for the C Stock's reliability? Last time I checked (bearing in mind it was 2010 when I last did), their rate was somewhere around 7000km mark, and in this day and age that is simply not good enough, even the considerably more elderly A Stock were achieving better figures at that time. While I do have a level of disdain for the S Stock, at least the Circle/H&C passengers are getting an increase in seating capacity and standing capacity as a result, the C Stock's time is due and their replacement is suitable for the next 40 odd years.
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Post by metman on Jan 19, 2014 2:24:33 GMT
I actually agree with both above posts. In general the customer is getting a more suitable bit of kit for their journey. This doesn't stop some people expressing sadness for a train the type of which is fast disappearing.
Of course many would say there is no place for sentiment but let's just remember we are all enthusiasts here and if you can't have an opinion here where else can you have one?!
Personally I'm going to enjoy the DC motors, PCM and Westinghouse brakes for as long as is possible!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2014 13:32:20 GMT
The C Stock are less than popular due to their apparent unreliability, speaking of which, does anyone have any fleet figure for the C Stock's reliability? Last time I checked (bearing in mind it was 2010 when I last did), their rate was somewhere around 7000km mark, and in this day and age that is simply not good enough, even the considerably more elderly A Stock were achieving better figures at that time. While I do have a level of disdain for the S Stock, at least the Circle/H&C passengers are getting an increase in seating capacity and standing capacity as a result, the C Stock's time is due and their replacement is suitable for the next 40 odd years. The official figures are available on the TFL website. They do confirm that the Circle/H+C fleet is the least reliable at approx 8300 km between failures. That said, I've been riding on C stock for 30 years and never known one to break down. I'm not a massive fan but they are very good at shifting crowds of passengers quickly during the peaks. The only downside is that they can get very cold in winter, especially at termini with all the doors open. John |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2014 22:35:07 GMT
Can somebody tell me when they are going to stop using C stock on the Edgware Road to Wimbledon line ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2014 22:39:39 GMT
Can they split the power units up so the ones in the middle can go on the front or are they fixted formations trains
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2014 22:55:18 GMT
Another thing if that the new S7s going go onto that Edgware Road to wimbledon line will that mean the end of C stock on that line.
Will they still use the odd one or two C stock trains on the mainline between Hammersmith to barking line and the odd one or two on the circle line or will it all go complected S7 Stock
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2014 22:57:38 GMT
They are made up of 3 2 car units so the power cars in the middle can be on the end (apart from I think 5555 because it doesn't work)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2014 23:18:24 GMT
Can somebody tell me when they are going to stop using C stock on the Edgware Road to Wimbledon line ? May . For Circle & Hammersmith, it might be 10/2/14 but I'm not 100% if this is correct. |
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Post by Tom on Jan 20, 2014 12:48:15 GMT
Can somebody tell me when they are going to stop using C stock on the Edgware Road to Wimbledon line ? May . For Circle & Hammersmith, it might be 10/2/14 but I'm not 100% if this is correct. Even once the C&H goes 100% S7 there will be nothing to stop the Hammersmith DDM offering up a C Stock for service on one of the trains which can be operated by C Stock. The only outstanding section of the Edgware Road - Wimbledon service which is not yet ready is Parsons Green no.27 siding, and Putney Bridge; both of which will be S7 enabled by the end of this week. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2014 12:52:25 GMT
And H&C crews (both Hammersmith and Edgware Road?) will still work the District C Stocks to and from Hammersmith.
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Post by motorman on Jan 20, 2014 22:00:15 GMT
This may be a stray from the subject of this thread but I had a thought last night. Now that platforms have been extended between High St. Ken and Edgward Road would there be any reason why D Stock could not now operate Wimblewares? I'm not suggesting that it will happen but just wonder if it possible. For instance would there be any issues on isolating front and end doors?
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Post by domh245 on Jan 20, 2014 22:23:10 GMT
The platforms haven't been extended though, it is just that the s stock have the ability to cut out a number of doors to allow for station duties. The d stock can't cut out that many doors at once, and additionally, the cars are slightly longer than the s stock cars, so there would be some clearance issues in places
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Post by superteacher on Jan 20, 2014 22:28:05 GMT
As I mentioned before, I doubt that the H&C / Circle will be officially all S7 stock until the Wimbledon - Edgware Road section of the District goes all S stock too. Due to the interworking, there will always be a chance that a C stock could end up on any of the lines. I do expect C stock to become very few and far between from now on though. Only 3 scheduled in service on the H&C / Circle on M-F, which I'm sure is set to decrease further in February.
Hopefully, they'll convert the Wimbledon - Edgware Road section, then run an official last run over the H&C / Circle. Let's hope that they do organise something. Like others have said, the C stock have been in service for 43+ years, which is very commendable, and thoroughly deserving of a send off, despite what some people on this forum think of them. I really think that they do have character, although much of this dates from their pre refurbished condition.
I don't think any of us would argue that the C stock is a classic train, but they have done their bit for London, and I'll never forget them hurtling along, whining like a washing machine!
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Post by motorman on Jan 20, 2014 22:33:11 GMT
I concur that Superteacher's comments on the C Stock. They have done a good job over the years. Thanks also for confirming my unrealistic thought about D Stock to Edgware Rd. It was a sort of dream around 4am this morning!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2014 15:28:56 GMT
I'm next in London on the 27th of feb will the be any C stocks left on the H&C&C lines?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2014 9:50:59 GMT
Can anybody tell me what c stock is out today please as well I will be out later on today lads
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2014 9:52:09 GMT
Is there still 8 c stock trains on the Edgware Road to Wimbledon line today lads Hope not gone S Stock yet ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2014 10:21:45 GMT
Is there still a C Stock on the circle line running today lads? When are they all gone completely because there is not many left in service and it will be a sad time to see no c stock trains ever again lads hope there is a farewell tour planed for these 43 year old units make the most of them while they are still here.
The next crazy will be the D78 stock which planed to go
But lets make the most of the c stock trains while they here lads
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2014 10:30:11 GMT
Thanks for keeping the c stock list Upton date lads it is great help to us all collecting these old things hope one set is kept at a depot away from things what I mean is from vandalism
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2014 12:18:16 GMT
Is there still 8 c stock trains on the Edgware Road to Wimbledon line today lads Hope not gone S Stock yet ? Its still 8 C stock trains. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2014 13:11:14 GMT
Yesterday (22/01/14) i only saw 2 trains of C-stock on the Circle line (although i doubt i saw all trains, but most of them)
215 was 5529/5524/5545 and 217 was 5565/5570/5598.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2014 22:54:11 GMT
Went down to London today
Train no 211 5529 6529 5524 6524 5545 6545 circle line via Aldgate
Train no 212 5565 6565 5570 6570 5598 6598 circle line via tower hill
Train no 246 5720 6720 5552 6552 5538 6538 Hammersmith to Barking
In total 3 seen today
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 20:48:08 GMT
I saw a c stock this evening at Plaistow and yesterday evening at Mile end I thought they didn't run to barking on the weekends anymore
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 21:08:22 GMT
There could of been some problems on the line causing a C stock to be used.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 21:09:43 GMT
I was actually happy to see the c stock I have always liked them
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Post by superteacher on Jan 27, 2014 20:13:18 GMT
I saw a c stock this evening at Plaistow and yesterday evening at Mile end I thought they didn't run to barking on the weekends anymore After a service disruption, trains sometimes get reformed, so C stock can still end up in places where they are not timetabled to go i.e. Barking at weekends. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2014 23:18:04 GMT
Thank you for the info superteacher
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Post by antharro on Jan 28, 2014 0:50:59 GMT
I was on an HST into Paddington on Sunday evening, where I changed to the H&C to get to Moorgate and the Northern Line. While I was expecting to see fewer Cs, I hadn't quite realized just how quickly they had been disappearing. S stocks all over the place, I think I only saw a couple of Cs. I must admit that the S stocks do look quite modern, and I like the big DMI on the front. I find the seats to be much more comfortable than the '09s on the Vic, or the new seats on the Jubilee/Northern. But I also do like the Cs and will be sad to see them go. To agree with some of you, there's not much special about them, and they may not be the most reliable, but they've been around a while and are part of the "tube scenery". I do enjoy them at speed, too, and all the associated noises, the ride quality, etc!
As a farewell, it would be nice to see one thrashing up the Met mainline line like the last A-stock did - after all, they have been known to venture up that way in the past! :-) Hopefully there will be some kind of send-off.
(I also refer to a certain service as the Wimbleware... sorry! ;-) )
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Post by malcolmffc on Jan 28, 2014 7:28:48 GMT
When's the next scrapping?
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