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Post by superteacher on Feb 23, 2016 22:47:43 GMT
Anyway, we all agree, Stratford being in the top ten stations in the UK by usage, it deserves something better than the present, glass roof or not! Indeed so! What is bizarre is just how quiet Stratford used to be compared to today. One of my 1990s' era youtube videos which was filmed here on a weekday mid morning shows the place as almost being a ghost station, there are that few passengers. This was also one of the stations which many years ago closed on Christmas day... even Gants Hill opened (very handy for me!) The Central Line trains ran through platforms 3 and 6 non-stop; without even slowing down! I know this because I went to Amersham to sample some high speed Met Line running (Amersham - Ricky non stop) and travel via the North Curve. I took my super 8 cine camera with me and still have the footage taken whilst travelling through Stratford in both directions. Simon Would be great to see that added to your online video collection! |
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Post by jimini on Apr 13, 2016 21:17:12 GMT
An additional observation further to the original thread: the S Car Stop marker (or maybe 8 car stop marker) on the eastbound TfL Rail platform has now been moved back to 2/3ds of the way down the platform rather at the far end, thus exacerbating the congestion at the western end of the platforms where pax now surface.
I've got to ask: who thought this was a bright idea?
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Post by spsmiler on Apr 13, 2016 22:03:36 GMT
An additional observation further to the original thread: the S Car Stop marker (or maybe 8 car stop marker) on the eastbound TfL Rail platform has now been moved back to 2/3ds of the way down the platform rather at the far end, thus exacerbating the congestion at the western end of the platforms where pax now surface. I've got to ask: who thought this was a bright idea? Maybe this means that the back of the train is closer to the steps on the western side of the main passageway below the tracks? It also must mean that passengers are encouraged to wait for trains at the western (Liverpool Street) end of the platform (which is adjacent what would have been platform 7, had it been used) where there is usually loads of unused space. If so, then they should put seats there too! Oh and a platform shelter as well... Simon |
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Post by spsmiler on Apr 13, 2016 22:04:58 GMT
Indeed so! What is bizarre is just how quiet Stratford used to be compared to today. One of my 1990s' era youtube videos which was filmed here on a weekday mid morning shows the place as almost being a ghost station, there are that few passengers. This was also one of the stations which many years ago closed on Christmas day... even Gants Hill opened (very handy for me!) The Central Line trains ran through platforms 3 and 6 non-stop; without even slowing down! I know this because I went to Amersham to sample some high speed Met Line running (Amersham - Ricky non stop) and travel via the North Curve. I took my super 8 cine camera with me and still have the footage taken whilst travelling through Stratford in both directions. Simon Would be great to see that added to your online video collection! !990's footage showing a very quiet Stratford station. This was filmed before the track layout was changed, so there were two through tracks for fast trains which did not stop here (as seen in the cover image with the DBSO* using one of these tracks) plus two more tracks for trains which did stop here (mostly only in the rush hours). (*DBSO = Driving Brake Second Open; a second class Mk2 passenger carriage converted to have a cab area for the train driver when the train is travelling with the locomotive at the back pushing the train.) Some of the filming towards the end I doubt would be so easy today, as people are much more conscious of cameras. February 1991, which might be the most recent time that London experienced serious snowfall. As the cover image suggests, this was also before the track layout was changed. Upstairs all BR trains were using just the one pair of tracks whilst downstairs the NLL had given up and all trains were cancelled. This film dates from after the track layout had changed. This next film comes from the 1980's when all I had was a camera that used silent super 8 film which I digitised at home using a glass screen. It features many types of train, including Classes 312, 315, 307, 313 and 416 as well the original single-unit P86 trains on the Docklands Light Railway, the 1962 stock on the Central Line and some slides of DMU's on the former diesel service to North Woolwich. Also seen are some non-stop rides through this station; two on the Class 312 trains which at the time worked to Colchester and ran non stop between London Liverpool Street and my local station (Ilford), completing the journey in just 11 minutes (a duration which the present-day 'all stations' services exceed by almost 50%) plus there are two non-stop rides on the Central Line. These were filmed on Boxing day (alas don't remember which year) when the Underground provided a minimal service but the mainline was completely shut down. Enjoy! Simon |
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Post by trumperscrossing on Apr 13, 2016 23:24:25 GMT
Fascinating videos!
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Post by stapler on Apr 14, 2016 17:33:42 GMT
The 62s look very end-of-life in the 91 shots, and the removed graffiti etched into the bare aluminium is a telling indictment of that LT practice.
Whilst on liveries, I never liked the NSE one with those daft up-stripes near the cabs; how much better rail blue and grey looked in the 80s shots.
But the overall impression is of course calm and lack of passengers compared with the hundred million that now use Stratford every year. From more or less wayside station to seething interchange in a mere 25 years...
Thanks, Simon, for sharing these period pieces with us....
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Post by oe on Apr 21, 2016 16:48:03 GMT
An additional observation further to the original thread: the S Car Stop marker (or maybe 8 car stop marker) on the eastbound TfL Rail platform has now been moved back to 2/3ds of the way down the platform rather at the far end, thus exacerbating the congestion at the western end of the platforms where pax now surface. I've got to ask: who thought this was a bright idea? This marker has now been moved about 1 1/2 carriage lengths eastwards. Still exacerbates rather than improves interchange from the Central line. |
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Post by stapler on Apr 22, 2016 7:04:28 GMT
Re car stops - and why do up trains arriving on Plats 9/10, especially the generally overcrowded AGA 4-car trains on the peak shoulders - stop in the most inconvenient place to make any sort of interchange?
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Post by Dom K on Aug 25, 2018 23:31:39 GMT
Thread unlocked at OP’s request to update
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Post by jimini on Aug 25, 2018 23:36:18 GMT
Thanks, Dom.
I noticed today that it would seem that common sense has finally prevailed and the S stop marker on the eastbound TfL Rail platform has been moved back down to the far eastern end of the platform. Regular announcements being made to reflect this ("to prevent overcrowding"). Not quite sure why it took so long to realise it was a bad idea, but glad it's finally sorted!
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Post by dmncf on Aug 26, 2018 14:59:36 GMT
I noticed that "CBTC" signs have been installed at the end of the TfL Rail platforms.
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Post by jimini on Aug 26, 2018 22:14:32 GMT
I noticed that "CBTC" signs have been installed at the end of the TfL Rail platforms. Yep I clocked those too, tonight. Took a few photos of the new setup but don't have a photo-hosting account to post them here. I'll have to ping them to Chris M instead for the quiz  |
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Post by stapler on Aug 27, 2018 7:49:13 GMT
What is CBTC?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 27, 2018 8:39:33 GMT
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Post by phil on Aug 27, 2018 22:16:03 GMT
Or in laymans terms, the in cab signalling system to be used by Crossrail to keep trains running safely instead of conventional lineside signals.
Presumably Stratford forms the boundary where Elizabeth line trains will switch to CBTC in preparation for their trip under the centre of London or transfer back to conventional perpetration under lineside signalling for the run to Shenfield.
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Post by goldenarrow on Aug 27, 2018 23:08:35 GMT
Presumably Stratford forms the boundary where Elizabeth line trains will switch to CBTC in preparation for their trip under the centre of London or transfer back to conventional perpetration under lineside signalling for the run to Shenfield. Yes although the transition to ATO will most likely take place in the platforms it may be offered up earlier. Absolute limits for CBTC on the Westbound (Up Electric) are signals L286 (penultimate signal before the platforms) and L244 (first signal after the portal protecting Gas Works Junction) with the Eastbound (Down Electric) limits being L255 (protecting signal for merger between Down Electric and portal) and L263 (second signal upon departing Stratford and protecting Country End crossovers). |
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Post by stapler on Aug 28, 2018 7:21:00 GMT
"Conventional perpetration", Phil? Been on the J-P Sartre again?
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Post by phil on Aug 28, 2018 22:41:47 GMT
"Conventional perpetration", Phil? Been on the J-P Sartre again? Nope, posting in a hurry and selecting the incorrect spell check suggestion. |
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