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Post by jimbo on Aug 21, 2023 8:04:58 GMT
The article linked has interesting content about how wide-ranging the Picc Upgrade may become. As Chris M suggests, the work-around for over-crowded stations seems to suggest that a three km stretch of the line will be usually closed for evening entry between open Hyde Park Corner and Holborn (assuming that does get rebuilt!). Presumably those crowded stations will even become unpleasant to use for exit or interchange. Then there is the additional ventilation required in the central area, to be provided when funds become available! It also reveals an apparent long-term station rebuild plan which reached to 2035 back in 2017. But Camden Town and Holborn schemes were publicised back in 2013 for completion around now, with no start made so far! It seems that a Leicester Square scheme will relieve Piccadilly Circus station, which suggests a new western entrance, probably around the actual Square. Also Covent Garden sees relief around the same time, perhaps with a new entrance around the Market area? Of course, capital funding is only agreed until next March at present! |
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Post by Chris M on Aug 21, 2023 9:09:37 GMT
It seems that a Leicester Square scheme will relieve Piccadilly Circus station, which suggests a new western entrance, probably around the actual Square. Now you mention that, I have a vague memory of reading about a proposal that involved a new entrance on Leicester Court, the alley west of Charing Cross Road, possibly involving the swap of some space between the station and the Casino? However I can't immediately find any information to back up my memory so I could be completely wrong! |
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Post by alpinejohn on Aug 22, 2023 9:43:30 GMT
Those workarounds are decidedly non-trivial ... e.g. non-stopping Covent Garden in the contra-peak direction (I don't know which direction that is), exit only at.. For years now some central stations have been restricting entry at peak times - basically when the platforms below are not clearing quickly - with increased risk of passengers stuck on the platform being crushed or worse still falling onto the tracks. I am surprised that HSE has not picked up on this - do they really need to await fatalities to step in and say enough - fix X or stop calling at the station? I fear that TFL have got away with it for too long now and yet is is probably only HSE who can get TFL to prioritize significant station rebuilds to permit safe passenger flows. Doubtless a lot more connecting passageways will need to be threaded in between existing services etc with the objective of fully segregating entry/exit (and ideally interchange) passenger flows on all these central area stations. Importantly they need to position these new passages to dissipate access to platforms along the full length of the train. Only then will platform dwell time reduce sufficiently to justify spend on increased frequency. TFL really need to be putting out tenders now for contractors to design and deliver a rolling program where one station at a time is completely closed with clear signage for visitors to alternates. Then platforms would be walled off with temporary hoardings to allow major changes to the platform to be carried out rapidly whilst trains pass through non-stop. Whilst you might be tempted to start work on the most problematic station - there might be a case to start by tackling one of the easier stations. This would allow the contractor to devise and refine working practices in order to minimise the time needed to tackle the more problematic stations. |
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Post by greatkingrat on Aug 22, 2023 10:23:53 GMT
Surely the number of passengers wishing to go to say Covent Garden is the same whether you are running 20tph or 30tph? Wouldn't increased frequencies mean arriving passengers are better spread out which helps reduce crowding?
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Post by jimbo on Aug 22, 2023 20:14:17 GMT
The Victoria Line was upgraded in the same way from 27tph to 36tph. Have you noticed how much more space that allowed for passengers? Probably not, as demand seems to increase to match the supply provided. The same happens with new roads. The new Picc trains will allow the current 24tph to jump to 27tph, but 30tph will need costly resignalling, which will then allow 33 or 36tph with a further train build. If there is more space on the Picc, then probably some Vic line passengers will transfer to take a different route to their destination. The population continues to grow, all needing to get between work and home. The Elizabeth line provides a brand-new route through the central area and seemed to fill in no time!
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Post by rincew1nd on Aug 22, 2023 21:09:37 GMT
The article linked has interesting content about how wide-ranging the Picc Upgrade may become. An interesting article indeed, albeit five years old. Perhaps the author may choose to revisit the topic somewhen soon? |
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Post by xtmw on Sept 15, 2023 13:51:36 GMT
Following the thread I made about the signal failures on the Piccadilly, apologies if this has been asked already but what is the status of the resignalling? The previous commissioner for London Transport said it would be 'mad to introduce the new trains without new signalling'
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Post by Dstock7080 on Sept 15, 2023 15:01:04 GMT
Resignalling of the Piccadilly has not yet been funded, this however hasn’t prevented expenditure on new co-acting signals for sighting purposes for the 2024 Stock at nearly every signal.
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Post by jimbo on Sept 15, 2023 21:10:52 GMT
Agreement on Government funding of capital improvements has yet to be made beyond March 2024. Last agreement was made August 2022, so this one is later. As funding becomes less than six months, this will affect long-term projects and letting of new contracts. A stop-go-stop approach to the future of TfL. There is only hope of a longer-term agreement as other public transport operators have.
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Post by xtmw on Sept 16, 2023 8:04:54 GMT
Agreement on Government funding of capital improvements has yet to be made beyond March 2024. Last agreement was made August 2022, so this one is later. As funding becomes less than six months, this will affect long-term projects and letting of new contracts. No doubt that the next agreement will have something about driverless trains  |
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Post by jimbo on Sept 16, 2023 9:39:58 GMT
Agreement on Government funding of capital improvements has yet to be made beyond March 2024. Last agreement was made August 2022, so this one is later. As funding becomes less than six months, this will affect long-term projects and letting of new contracts. No doubt that the next agreement will have something about driverless trains As have all those since Covid required Government support. Doesn't seem to have made much difference so far! |
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Post by melikepie on Oct 27, 2023 11:11:33 GMT
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