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Post by seaeagle on Jun 4, 2020 15:12:10 GMT
Just found this on YouTube, it was only posted on 3rd June 2020
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Post by superteacher on Jun 4, 2020 15:23:39 GMT
There are quite a few Bakerloo ones.
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Post by pgb on Jun 4, 2020 15:39:33 GMT
Just found this on YouTube, it was only posted on 3rd June 2020 If you go to his YouTube channel you'll find the entire video (in sections) posted over the last year or so. There's also a GOBLIN from about 1990 (with some fantastic vacuum brake stops!) and plenty of other historic videos |
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Post by Tom on Jun 4, 2020 15:46:09 GMT
Some of us still have the DVD copy - I was using it the other day.
That controller's voice is familiar, too.
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Post by PiccNT on Jun 5, 2020 13:25:06 GMT
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Post by rincew1nd on Jun 5, 2020 22:34:20 GMT
"This door exits airside so you will be met by armed police." |
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Post by goldenarrow on Jun 5, 2020 22:41:40 GMT
"This door exits airside so you will be met by armed police." An absolute pain for all parties involved as you can imagine! |
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Post by PiccNT on Jun 6, 2020 7:09:09 GMT
"This door exits airside so you will be met by armed police." Fortunately it's Heathrow and not Minneapolis. |
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Post by class411 on Jun 6, 2020 15:19:00 GMT
on the" Uxbridge Sidings Move (Old)" clip, at around 1:40, the train is docked (berthed? stopped?) in a siding where it appears that it would block the line behind it, in such a way as to make the track to the left (as at the point where the live cab stopped) unusable. So why not simply have the track to the left as the siding as nothing can (appears to be able) to use it if a train is docked in the actual siding stub. Or is this just some weird foreshortening effect? |
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Post by goldenarrow on Jun 6, 2020 15:28:31 GMT
on the" Uxbridge Sidings Move (Old)" clip, at around 1:40, the train is docked (berthed? stopped?) in a siding where it appears that it would block the line behind it, in such a way as to make the track to the left (as at the point where the live cab stopped) unusable. So why not simply have the track to the left as the siding as nothing can (appears to be able) to use it if a train is docked in the actual siding stub. Or is this just some weird foreshortening effect? The historic layout shown below as you describe allowed trains stabled on 27-38 sidings to be routed round 24 & 25 roads (usual route for trains to/from UXB platforms) and then on/off the Mainline.  |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jun 6, 2020 15:58:35 GMT
Area has now changed, eliminating the problem mentioned:  |
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Post by class411 on Jun 6, 2020 17:29:51 GMT
on the" Uxbridge Sidings Move (Old)" clip, at around 1:40, the train is docked (berthed? stopped?) in a siding where it appears that it would block the line behind it, in such a way as to make the track to the left (as at the point where the live cab stopped) unusable. So why not simply have the track to the left as the siding as nothing can (appears to be able) to use it if a train is docked in the actual siding stub. Or is this just some weird foreshortening effect? The historic layout shown below as you describe allowed trains stabled on 27-38 sidings to be routed round 24 & 25 roads (usual route for trains to/from UXB platforms) and then on/off the Mainline. OK, So am I correct in thinking they were never stabled there, it was just for the purposes of reversing? I must admit that hadn't occurred to me (I watched the video without sound, so they may have mentioned it there). |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jun 6, 2020 18:27:31 GMT
OK, So am I correct in thinking they were never stabled there, it was just for the purposes of reversing? Yes, for access to sidings from platforms. |
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Post by Colin D on Jun 6, 2020 19:45:17 GMT
Those Bakerloo videos brought back some memories, going in and out of London Rd depot, the sidings beyond Elephant and Castle. There’s a whole series of videos all the way to Harrow and Wealdstone. When I travelled for my job Elephant and Castle Motormen weren’t trained beyond Queens Park. I think back then there were only two trains a day each way to Watford Junction. Iirc any extra coverage needed was handled by Queens Park crews. My favourite part of that line was the Stanmore branch, those 38ts could give the A stock a run for the money, that is until we had to start braking for a station. Ah the good old days 😊
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Post by superteacher on Jun 6, 2020 21:27:54 GMT
Those Bakerloo videos brought back some memories, going in and out of London Rd depot, the sidings beyond Elephant and Castle. There’s a whole series of videos all the way to Harrow and Wealdstone. When I travelled for my job Elephant and Castle Motormen weren’t trained beyond Queens Park. I think back then there were only two trains a day each way to Watford Junction. Iirc any extra coverage needed was handled by Queens Park crews. My favourite part of that line was the Stanmore branch, those 38ts could give the A stock a run for the money, that is until we had to start braking for a station. Ah the good old days 😊 4 trains per day from / to Watford in the peak direction only. I believe they were also operated by Croxley Green crews. |
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Post by jimbo on Jun 7, 2020 2:02:55 GMT
Those Bakerloo videos brought back some memories, going in and out of London Rd depot, the sidings beyond Elephant and Castle. There’s a whole series of videos all the way to Harrow and Wealdstone. When I travelled for my job Elephant and Castle Motormen weren’t trained beyond Queens Park. I think back then there were only two trains a day each way to Watford Junction. Iirc any extra coverage needed was handled by Queens Park crews. My favourite part of that line was the Stanmore branch, those 38ts could give the A stock a run for the money, that is until we had to start braking for a station. Ah the good old days 😊 Back pre-video days, as a station guard at Trafalgar Square, training included doing the walking route to Croxley Depot with a trainer. There were no handouts. I'm glad I was never required to find that place again as I hadn't a clue! |
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Post by goonerkeith on Jun 7, 2020 16:32:12 GMT
Did all lines have these training videos? Are they hidden away somewhere that we can access?
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Post by Colin D on Jun 7, 2020 17:57:33 GMT
I found the Bakerloo Line videos on YouTube. Haven’t found any others yet but that doesn’t necessarily mean they aren’t there. I would like to see the Central Line pre ATO if any exist.
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Post by MoreToJack on Jun 7, 2020 18:29:21 GMT
Did all lines have these training videos? Are they hidden away somewhere that we can access? Most lines have them, especially for the more unusual 'moves', but they're generally locally produced and are intended for staff use only. Whether any creators wish to share them here would be for them to decide. As ever, the forum staff remind members that anything marked 'Private - for internal use only' (or words to that effect) should not be posted here. |
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Post by PiccNT on Jun 7, 2020 19:07:26 GMT
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Post by North End on Jun 7, 2020 19:58:01 GMT
Did all lines have these training videos? Are they hidden away somewhere that we can access? Most lines have them, especially for the more unusual 'moves', but they're generally locally produced and are intended for staff use only. Whether any creators wish to share them here would be for them to decide. As ever, the forum staff remind members that anything marked 'Private - for internal use only' (or words to that effect) should not be posted here.This casts my mind back to the days when working timetables were the holy grail, and were very much difficult to get hold of - even internally at one point it was awkward to get hold of a PDF of a working timetable for another line. Nowadays of course it’s open season. Signal diagrams and crew duty schedules seem to be the main things which aren’t in the public domain now. |
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Post by Tom on Jun 7, 2020 23:42:18 GMT
I know signalling scale plans have been released under Freedom of Information requests in the past - but that's the most. I would be particularly reluctant for any more to be released.
That reminds me of a story when a delegation from Moscow Metro visited the LT (as it was then) signalling design offices in the 1980s. The host was told they could be shown anything - with the exception of any details related to floodgates.
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Post by jimbo on Jun 8, 2020 0:11:39 GMT
Those Bakerloo videos brought back some memories, going in and out of London Rd depot, the sidings beyond Elephant and Castle. There’s a whole series of videos all the way to Harrow and Wealdstone. When I travelled for my job Elephant and Castle Motormen weren’t trained beyond Queens Park. I think back then there were only two trains a day each way to Watford Junction. Iirc any extra coverage needed was handled by Queens Park crews. My favourite part of that line was the Stanmore branch, those 38ts could give the A stock a run for the money, that is until we had to start braking for a station. Ah the good old days 😊 Back pre-video days, as a station guard at Trafalgar Square, training included doing the walking route to Croxley Depot with a trainer. There were no handouts. I'm glad I was never required to find that place again as I hadn't a clue! Can anyone remember this route? Which station did we start from? |
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Post by jimbo on Jun 8, 2020 5:32:24 GMT
I know signalling scale plans have been released under Freedom of Information requests in the past - but that's the most. I would be particularly reluctant for any more to be released. That reminds me of a story when a delegation from Moscow Metro visited the LT (as it was then) signalling design offices in the 1980s. The host was told they could be shown anything - with the exception of any details related to floodgates. Flood gates were a WWII innovation in case of aerial bombardment of tunnels through the Thames river bed. They were locally operated by Floodgate Attendants, who were appointed Special Constables, enabling them to have a hand gun to defend operation. Cold War precautions then resulted in upgrading and additional sites, and then fears of river flooding kept them maintained until the Thames Barrage in the 1980s. However the 2014 TfL Business Plan stated: “We are also undertaking a detailed flood risk assessment of London Underground’s stations, tracks and supporting services. We will invest in reducing the risk to the most vulnerable areas to flooding,” although I have read of nothing since. |
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Post by PiccNT on Jun 8, 2020 10:03:30 GMT
Here's a video of the floodgates in operation.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 15:45:41 GMT
The type of Hi Viz will give you a clue to how old that Video is lets say things have changed abit since
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Post by rincew1nd on Jun 8, 2020 17:56:12 GMT
Here's a video of the floodgates in operation. Don't know why, but I expected the to operate vertically not horizontally! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 19:32:00 GMT
South Ken and Embankment on the District was vertical
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Post by jimbo on Jun 8, 2020 21:02:54 GMT
Just found this on YouTube, it was only posted on 3rd June 2020 "You must test the Westinghouse brake at Lambeth North if your train is terminating at Elephant & Castle" presumably anticipating Lewisham trains to avoid a commentary update? |
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Post by jimbo on Jun 8, 2020 21:11:36 GMT
Here's a video of the floodgates in operation. Don't know why, but I expected the to operate vertically not horizontally! There was already room at the end of a platform to mount the gate horizontally. Some passenger cross passages had vertical drop gates where room above. |
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