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Post by cetacean on Jan 20, 2008 11:42:43 GMT
The last section of the Goblin to Barking has OHLE, as does a short section through South Tottenham. The NLL is also OHLE only where the Goblin joins it, and so are all the other lines it connects to (Great Eastern, West Anglia, Midland, East Coast, etc). I think third rail is a non-starter.
I never saw anyone wanting to see tickets, and if you asked to buy one they always looked surprised.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2008 14:09:49 GMT
The advantage of OHLE over third rail is for freight trains.
Gospel Oak is OHL only nowadays. The third rail was removed a few years ago. The OHLE on the GOBLIN at the east end is between Woodgrange Park and Barking (but I cannot remember if the OHL goes into the bay).
Another thing I would love to see is GOBLIN services extended towards Willesden Jn. But thanks to the layout at Gospel Oak they would be unable to call there in either direction!
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Post by Tubeboy on Jan 20, 2008 14:26:00 GMT
Another thing I would love to see is GOBLIN services extended towards Willesden Jn. But thanks to the layout at Gospel Oak they would be unable to call there in either direction! .......unless new platforms were built. I dont think platform 1 at Barking is wired. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jan 20, 2008 15:38:41 GMT
I dont think platform 1 at Barking is wired. You are correct, it isn't. The wires continue on the flyover but not on the track into platform 1. |
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Post by Tubeboy on Jan 20, 2008 17:29:36 GMT
Thanks for confirming that matey.
Yep, the wires take you into Platform 7 [via the flyover]
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2008 17:59:44 GMT
To echo other members views, the original poster is right to critiscise his experience on the North London Line.
However, it is for exactly this reason that TfL have now taken the line over. The North London Line was *always* like this under Silverlink. TfL cannot change that overnight, because they still have the same staff, the same trains, the same operations etc. - they will have to filter change down through the ranks.
Having a rubbish service under TfL is better then having a rubbish service under Silverlink, because TfL are likely to improve things. Silverlink couldn't give a damn.
I am confident that LO will bring the North London Line up to a more respectable level. But it is a nonsense to expect that TfL would do that overnight, or even in a year. The NLL was run down to the point of falling apart. We now have to wait for it to be rebuilt, but at least it has a future now.
(First Post, looking forward to getting involved more!)
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Post by PGtrips on Jan 30, 2008 23:31:41 GMT
Perhaps I should enlighten people with what these lines were like 25 years ago.
I went to school on the GOBLIN for five years when it was being worked by variously 116s, 127s and 104s. At the same time the North Woolwich - Camden Rd service was working with very tired 105s. The main NLL was still going to Broad St and was just changing over from 501s to two car only 416/2 2EPBs. All these units were fantastic for the enthusiast, but presented a very poor image to the general passenger.
The east end of the NLL was absolutely DEAD outside of peak hours (east of Highbury) and the North Woolwich - Camden Rd service was very quiet as well. The NLL ran every 20 minutes at that time, with some additional peak hour Watford - Broad St trains both via Primrose Hill and one routed via Gospel Oak.
Stratford has grown massively in importance with the coming of the DLR and Jubilee and to an extent, the lines are now a victim of their own success.
You can fit many more people in a 313 than in a 2EPB. The 150s on the GOBLIN, although they sometimes have their moments, are much more reliable than the previous DMUs. The 127s and 104s quite often ran round as power quadruples for contingency reasons because in winter, it was touch and go whether the batteries on more than one car would maintain their charge, and in summer the radiator water needed to be topped up (by BR standard issue metal watering can) every trip at Gospel Oak if there was any chance of the set making the entire rounder to Barking and back without dying because of overheating. In those days also, as a legacy of the service going to Kentish Town, the crews were mainly St Pancras based and the official route after signing on (so as not to have to pay LT) was walk to Euston, DC lines to Willesden Jct, NLL to Gospel Oak so as can be imagined, there were often massive problems with crew reliefs because of this stupid piece of internal accounting policy.
So things are not perfect, but they are a whole lot better than 25 years ago and they will get better.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2008 19:12:01 GMT
I notice the class 313's function better on the 3rd rail when operating on pantograph they have a tendency to fail a bit more and stall for brief periods when accelerating
but staff are a big improvement places like crouch hill and upper holloway seem to be more organised
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Post by plampin on Mar 28, 2008 22:03:18 GMT
this sort of thing doesnt happen very often but it is annoying when you are caught in it, i had a similar experience going from willesden to stratford, the gospel oak to barking service is also pretty bad, i went on it before christmas and then again in march and the same signal caused trouble each time, how unlucky is that! [quote author=hotelinspector board=londonoverground thread=1200346810 post=1200346810]OMG!  What is going on! My journey between Hackney Central and Stratford today was quite possibly the worst train journey I've ever experienced in London. It was a similar experience to a cattle truck. Where do I start? * 1747 train arrived at 1806. * Crowded already, and more crowds attempting to board * (For each set of doors, I'd say about 25-27 people trying to board * This delayed the train even further because there was no way the passengers would let the driver close the doors * Arrive at Hackney Wick (using the W/B platform - randomly). * Sat at Hackney Wick "waiting for the signal man" as the guard announces * We are then told that there is a train behind (on the E/B track coming into Hackney Wick so we may want to cross over platforms and use that service. * Hundreds of people dash over a footbridge (leaving many of us behind on the W/B stationary train). * The driver then announces that the train won't be going to Stratford and that instead it's going back to Richmond. Arrgh! PAX everywhere shouting and moaning; complaining that this is the usual quality of service they receive. * Hundreds more miss the next train as that is full. How much longer will this go on for?! It's sub-standard, infrequent, shoddy service. Nothing like LU. I've already submitted my refund application on TfL!! Anyway, the journey got better as soon as I reach my beloved Central Line that drove me home to Epping at what seemed to be high-speed compared to the Overground service. Oh, and to top it all off - as we arrived at Stratford, the guard announced that we could change at Stratford for "Jubilee Line, Central Line, Docklands Light Railway and....(ready for it...) Great Eastern Railway services to Anglia" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT! :-) Anyway, that's my rant over. Drink anyone? :-) [/quote] |
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Post by plampin on Mar 28, 2008 22:05:14 GMT
I notice the class 313's function better on the 3rd rail when operating on pantograph they have a tendency to fail a bit more and stall for brief periods when accelerating but staff are a big improvement places like crouch hill and upper holloway seem to be more organised thats true but the 313's are pretty old and battered and so stall and have problems a lot now |
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Post by plampin on Mar 28, 2008 22:07:24 GMT
Those short walk interchanges should really be shown on the map. I know about the Kenton/Northwick Park interchange but the others are new to me. Also they should be prominently and frequently signposted above ground as well - possibly with TfL signage? i like the kenton to northwick park interchange, it is very useful when the metropolitan line is running poorly |
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Post by plampin on Mar 28, 2008 22:15:11 GMT
hopefully all the problems that tfl have had running the service are only tempory, i have noticed that there have been fewer reported problems recently, however i still think that the service is being better run under tfl because of an incident at south acton.
It was a long time ago but i was travelling to richmond from gospel oak, the train i wanted was apparently cancelled but came despite that and on time aswell! But then at south acton apparently there was a points faliure but i think it was really a signal passed at danger, so we sat just outside the station for 1 hour. everyone in my carriage was listening to a man on his mobile apologising to his boss for being late! when i finally got to richmond i couldnt be bothered to go home via waterloo so i had to go the boring way, how sad is that!
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