Euston Square

[ruislip]

Was it ever classified as an interchange station between the Circle/H&C/Met and Northern/Victoria Lines? The reason I am asking is I remember in A stock line maps from the 1960s and 70s Euston Square is shown as a British Rail interchange (for Euston), but that is taped over an original posting.

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It's got 'walking distance' interchange status... if that means anything...

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HAHA, walking is the word and the road i swear is up hill because it feels like it

[Deleted]

I don't recall Euston/Euston Square ever being shown as an interchange.

But around 1960 the line maps in Northern cars showed a possible interchange between Warren Street and Euston Square. I tried it once, and got very funny looks from the ticket collector at Warren Street when I said I was chainging to the Circle.

[stuartpalmer]

It counts as an interchange from an Oyster point of view - i.e. if you complete the walk in a reasonable timescale (which seems to be about 30 minutes) it counts as a single jouney.

I've often thought it shouldn't be too hard to make an underground subway between the east end of the Circle platforms and the south end of the Northern (West End) platforms. It can't be that far!

I agree that Warren Street / Euston Square is probably nearer, although it involves more road-crossing. So far as I know, however, it isn't a valid Oyster interchange.

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After the Euston redevelopment there should be a walkway between the two and it should officially be an interchange (instead of an outerchange), I think.

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stuartpalmer said:

It counts as an interchange from an Oyster point of view - i.e. if you complete the walk in a reasonable timescale (which seems to be about 30 minutes) it counts as a single jouney.

I've often thought it shouldn't be too hard to make an underground subway between the east end of the Circle platforms and the south end of the Northern (West End) platforms. It can't be that far!

I agree that Warren Street / Euston Square is probably nearer, although it involves more road-crossing. So far as I know, however, it isn't a valid Oyster interchange.

30MINS !!! it take me 10mins or even 5mins to get to euston mainline

After the Euston redevelopment there should be a walkway between the two and it should officially be an interchange (instead of an outerchange), I think.

that would be a plus a walkway

[Deleted]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the maximum interchange time for "outerchanges" is 15 minutes. If not, I'd be very happy as I could spend a few minutes at the pub outside Euston when I miss my Bushey train...

[stuartpalmer]

I'm pretty sure about the 30 minutes. When I'm working in London I usually stay in the Ibis Hotel in Cardington Street: I find I can get home from work via Euston Square (H&C), change at the hotel and get down to Euston (Victoria/Northern) in time to get into town for a meal, all within the interchange allowance.

[peterc]

The accepted wisdom seems to be 15 minutes but I am sure that I have taken longer than that at some other stations.

Is there a list of valid out of station interchanges published?

[stuartpalmer]

peterc said:

Is there a list of valid out of station interchanges published?

That would be very interesting - for instance Gt Portland Street to Regent's Park appears NOT to be a valid interchange (I tried it!), whereas common sense says it should be (if only to take some pressure off Baker Street).

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stuartpalmer said:

That would be very interesting - for instance Gt Portland Street to Regent's Park appears NOT to be a valid interchange (I tried it!), whereas common sense says it should be (if only to take some pressure off Baker Street).

To be fair though, if you are using that interchange, there's probably a better route for your journey.

*prepares to be proved wrong*

[Ben]

'Somewhere' to Euston Square...specifically!

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Could it be 15 minutes for same station interchanges, for example from the Euston LU ticket hall gateline to the LO suburban platform gateline, but 30 for longer ones like Euston Square to Euston?

[Chris M]

It might be different for different interchanges - Leytonstone to Leytonstone High Road is about 10 minutes quick-ish walk, so 15 minutes would be pushing it for someone who's a slower walker.

[ruislip]

sydneynick said:

I don't recall Euston/Euston Square ever being shown as an interchange.

But around 1960 the line maps in Northern cars showed a possible interchange between Warren Street and Euston Square. I tried it once, and got very funny looks from the ticket collector at Warren Street when I said I was chainging to the Circle.

At wikipedia's entry for the Northern Line, there is a picture of one of the heritage 1938 stock trains; and it contains a map from that time period--where Warren St is noted as an interchange with the "Metropolitan" and "Circle". I never saw that on any system-wide maps of that era. I guess it faded away with the construction of the Victoria Line.
I also noticed on that map where for interchange stations w/the Circle, the lines were not necessarily placed in alphabetic order(eg, the aforementioned Warren Street read Metropolitan Circle instead of Circle Metropolitan

[21146]

And Warren Street - Euston Square were linked directly by LT passageway prior to the building of the Euston Underpass. the latter being part of Ringway 1 of the GLC's abortive London Motorway Box.

[ruislip]

21146 said:

And Warren Street - Euston Square were linked directly by LT passageway prior to the building of the Euston Underpass. the latter being part of Ringway 1 of the GLC's abortive London Motorway Box.

I thought the Victoria Line construction discontinued the interchange. By the way, in my September 1964 Underground Guide I just received, it has a sentence where 15 minutes should be allowed for interchange between Warren Street and Euston Square. But this was not shown on the system map. I guess the reason they had this interchange was to provide connections between the Circle and the West End branch of the Northern--rather than changing at Kings Cross to the city branch of the Northern and then boarding a West End branch train at Euston.

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21146 said:

And Warren Street - Euston Square were linked directly by LT passageway prior to the building of the Euston Underpass. the latter being part of Ringway 1 of the GLC's abortive London Motorway Box.

I don't think so. I had to walk above ground around 1960.

[21146]

I understood part of the Warren St - Euston Sq interchange subway was destroyed during the Victoria Line work (which provided a direct Warren St - Euston rail link). Anyone else got vews on whether this passageway link existed as it's before my time - memory-wise anyway!

[Deleted]

There certainly isn't a direct link between Euston Square/ Warren Street.

There is no room for one. The only location one could be provided would be opposite the gateline (as it is now) and that was the old booking office, built in the 1930's.

I had a look around the LT museum photo gallery and noticed a picture of Warren Street booking hall taken in 1927.

On the wall is a notice saying "For Metropolitan Rly turn right and along Euston Road"

[21146]

The subway was at intermediate level (allegedly).

[stanmorek]

Last summer I had a browse through LU archive drawings for Euston Square but I don't recall seeing a subway link but the archive isn't always comprehensive. However, they show the 1930s reconstruction of the ticket hall and platform extension. The ticket hall construction is structurally quite unusual.

Only last year a number of disused subway entrances were filled in by the local authorities/TFL. A couple were at the Hampstead Road / TCR crossing Euston Road not far from Warren Street.

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21146 said:

And Warren Street - Euston Square were linked directly by LT passageway prior to the building of the Euston Underpass. the latter being part of Ringway 1 of the GLC's abortive London Motorway Box.

As the north side of Ringway 1 was due to cut through Hampstead Heath I very much doubt it.

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The 'Motorway Box' project was a few years later than Euston Underpass.

[amershamsi]

Euston underpass was part of the 'A ring' which was part of the 1943 plan that gave way to the ringways in the 60s. It would have been part of a surface street link between the M40 at Marylebone and the M11 at Angel under the ringway plans, but I don't think that involved upgrading the Euston Road. Ringway 1 was about as far out as Blackwall (would have followed the NLL, Primrose Hill Link, WCML, turned south to take in the former M41 and then along the WLL, before the south side, which would have followed the SLL)

[Ben]

Ahh, the '43 Abercrombe plans.

Theres a great website out there, something like www.crbd.net which has lots of info on the ringways.

[miztert]

Apr 14, 2008 9:26:05 GMT Ben said:

Ahh, the '43 Abercrombe plans.

Theres a great website out there, something like www.crbd.net which has lots of info on the ringways.

The above web address actually takes you to the website of a Mexican dental practice!

Chris's British Road Directory is actually at www.cbrd.co.uk

Information about the proposed London Ringways is in the 'Histories' section of the website here:

www.cbrd.co.uk/histories/ringways/

[21146]

Looking at some infrastructure plans there *is* a tunnel link between Euston Square and Euston Northern Line (south end of Charing X platforms).

Obviously not for passenger use but it may carry cables of some description and certainly looks large enough on scale drawings to have been a pedestrian link at one time.

Were *these*stations ever linked?

[Deleted]

Did Euston Square have a surface building at some point? All the pedestrian tunnels around the Euston underpass have been filled in, not exactly safe to walk in at night.