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Post by westbound on Jan 23, 2007 18:09:54 GMT
BBC1 news this evening. First line announces details from the attempted bombers trial in words similar to
"Alleged suicide bomber attempted to detonate device while terrified passengers were locked in the same carriage."
Those are not the exact words but the word "locked" in that context was definitely used.
People hearing that would imagine that people are LOCKED into the carriages on the tube. Total nonsense but SO typical of the media to try and convey a distortion and frighten people. And so typical of the media who have absolutely no comprehension about how railways work so resort to guessing and making scare stories.
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Post by alstom1996 on Jan 23, 2007 18:36:25 GMT
Yeah but the media like the government only care about one thing, MONEY!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2007 18:56:36 GMT
typical of the media who have absolutely no comprehension about how railways work so resort to guessing and making scare stories. Been going on since trains have existed I'm afraid
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Post by jamesb on Jan 23, 2007 23:40:46 GMT
I completely agree about the media generally. But I think it is difficult to make a scare story out of something that was, from whatever way you look at it, very scary.
Somebody trying to detonate a bomb (that didn't explode) in a tube carriage in a tunnel would frighten me regardless of whether or not the word "locked" was used...
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Post by westbound on Jan 24, 2007 7:03:35 GMT
Don't get me wrong, jamesb. Nobody is disputing that it was a terrifying event (looking at that footage was enough to send a shiver down anyone's spine). My point was that even with such horrific coverage the BBC couldn't resist a little extra anti-rail falsity that the passengers were "locked" in the carriage (as if the story NEEDED any more horror!).
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Post by Phil on Jan 24, 2007 8:12:38 GMT
After what the Beeb did with the Barking incident nothing should surprise you. A few years ago their news was like the Times: now it's more like the Sun.
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Post by Ben on Jan 24, 2007 16:44:57 GMT
How true. Its a pity that even journalistic establishments that should know better have bowed to sensationalist and popularist views in an effort to 'report the peoples true views'.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2007 22:30:19 GMT
From my POV, they could have taken it from that because of the interlocking. As technically, if you lose the pilot light (created from interlocking), you are stuck in a tunnel, which is basically another term for lock...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2007 9:25:38 GMT
As I recall, passengers cannot open LU train doors unless they are released by the TO. So effectively the passengers were locked in the sense that the doors could not be opened.
But it's not clear what the Beeb thought the passengers might do if they could have opened the doors: leaving a moving tube train is not good for health.
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Post by Chris M on Jan 25, 2007 10:47:18 GMT
The intercar doors are not locked, so although passengers might be locked in the train, they are not locked in the carriage, which is what the BBC implied.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2007 10:50:30 GMT
But there are signs, don't go through the doors unless yer told!
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Post by setttt on Jan 25, 2007 15:06:39 GMT
But there are signs, don't go through the doors unless yer told! I think you'll find said signs say nothing of the sort.
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Post by Tubeboy on Jan 25, 2007 16:28:29 GMT
The sign says, only to use the doors in an emergency.
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Post by cdr113 on Jan 25, 2007 20:26:38 GMT
Those are not the exact words but the word "locked" in that context was definitely used. Surely by mis-quoting you are lowering yourself to the level of the journalists you are openly criticising?
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Post by Chris M on Jan 25, 2007 21:54:06 GMT
The sign says, only to use the doors in an emergency. I think that someone detonating (or attempting to detonate) a bomb in the carriage constitutes an emergency
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Post by Tubeboy on Jan 25, 2007 21:57:21 GMT
I was referring to the sign Chris, not the situation, obviously the interconnecting doors should have been used in this instance.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2007 16:57:26 GMT
I have horrible images in my mind of people getting trapped as two or more barge their way through what is a very narrow doorway, which opens towards them, in the midst of it all the lady with the buggy, and possibly, heaven forbid, a blind person and guide dog. Not to mention it all lurching about and somebody slips.....
On top of that the blast and flames would follow through the doorway.
Sorry to be melodramatic, but basically they are locked in, certainly in ruch hour as there would be nowhere to go.
John
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2007 19:11:45 GMT
The same could be said of any train. Or bus. Or pretty much any crowded place.
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Post by westbound on Jan 26, 2007 20:27:44 GMT
cdr 113, I must admit that you have a point!
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Post by ongarparknride on Jan 27, 2007 8:09:46 GMT
General point arising: Would the Train Operator receive any cab warning if a car connecting door was opened? On any stock?
cheers OngarParkNRide
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Post by jamesb on Jan 27, 2007 11:33:58 GMT
The advertisements at the top of the thread advertise locksmiths - that's very clever ;D ;D although probably a bit impractical for the situation described...
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Post by setttt on Jan 27, 2007 16:48:59 GMT
General point arising: Would the Train Operator receive any cab warning if a car connecting door was opened? On any stock? Nope!
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Post by bwhughes on Jan 30, 2007 22:39:33 GMT
How do you open the carriage end doors?
When I have been on tube stock (was it the 72TS?) I could not see any form of handle to open the connecting door (or the handle had been removed and was replaced by a lock)!
This worried me a little as to whether passengers could get to the other end of the train after a bombing attack without the driver having to unlock anything.
How are they opened? By a catch underneath a hollow part of the door?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2007 22:43:09 GMT
what car were you in... what was the other end looking like.
in Driving Motors (i.e. with a cab) the door has not window and the handle is only for emergencies to give the driver some protection and privacy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2007 20:16:01 GMT
The advertisements at the top of the thread advertise locksmiths - that's very clever ;D ;D although probably a bit impractical for the situation described... Google ads looks for key words this thread. The word LOCK has appeared hence the links. The companies pay Google for their websites to be linked to certain key words. Fairly clever, and keeps the forum free.
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Post by ongarparknride on Jan 31, 2007 22:27:30 GMT
Thanks for the reply, and Cheers, Seth.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2007 22:28:55 GMT
If the car end is a driving cab, there is a piece of glass that must be smashed to access the emergency open handle. Other cab ends just have a door with a regular door handle (they often take a bit of welly to open, though!)
Neither are recommended unless in immediate danger, or at request of staff. Using them when the train is moving is particularly dangerous, hence the signs.
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Post by thomas on Feb 9, 2007 22:11:16 GMT
Isn't there a switch for the passengers to unlock a door in an emergency? There must be one on each door here, but then of course we don't have power lines on the rails.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2007 22:18:07 GMT
Passengers can open the inter car doors by use of the handle, they can also exit through the drivers cab door, called the J door here, in an emergency, by either pulling off a little plastic cover over the handle, or breaking a small glass box, again, covering the handle... The Train Operator would get a warning, by message on a computer monitor [at least on the newer stock] if the J door at the back is opened....
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Post by connextrain on Feb 10, 2007 8:40:06 GMT
If there was a bomb between carriges (not saying there is) how would the passangers get out? They wouldn't, so the news report is right.
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