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Post by towerman on Aug 30, 2006 21:12:27 GMT
The Matrix for upgrade work for the Jubilee has sdgs at Stanmore to be extended by 2010.It's possible to maybe fit another 4 roads at SMD,we currently have no 8,12,28 or 34rds.
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Post by Harsig on Aug 30, 2006 21:38:08 GMT
Are there any sidings on the Met that could be used? The whole point about evicting the Jubilee from Neasden Depot is to reduce the interaction between the Met & Jubilee to the bare minimum and using sidings elsewhere on the Met to stable Jubilee trains would not make any contribution to achieving this objective. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2006 23:35:43 GMT
Don't agree with that. If timetables got there act right the midday stablers should be the ones to go to Stanmore sidings etc having been serviced in the midday off peak. The all day runners can then be shoved into Neasden overnight for their turn. The early starts the following day should be ex Stanmore and so on having been serviced the previous day in a depot. Judging from the tone of your posts here, I'm sorry you feel that the timetables office is incompetent. But I totally disagree with that assertion. Its just the series of rules and contractual requests that LU have to work around. I believe its contractually obliged as part of the PPP process, that interpeak stablers and afterpeak stablers are at a depot of the infracos choosing - effectively where they can do work. Thats why trains HAVE to stable at Neasden or Stratford after the morning or evening peak. Harsig makes a good case for stabling those evening peak trains at Stanmore sidings - his reasoning makes sense in how running them back to Neasden depot creates more conflictions - so just sticking them there in Stanmore sidings would help. I don't believe that would be accepted by the infracos though. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2006 23:45:56 GMT
[Our other big bugbear relates to trains entering and leaving service on the shoulders of the peaks. In particular at the end of the evening peak it is quite common for delays to occur at Wembley Park while trains wait to get to depot. There have been cases where there was a stabling train in the southbound platform, having arrived empty from Stanmore sidings, one in the siding waiting to go to depot behind the first train and a third train waiting to go into the siding and then to depot, thus blocking the Jubilee entirely. This sort of situation tends to crop up reasonably reguarly when there is some late running on the northbound Jubilee i.e. the train in the siding should have gone to depot before the one from Stanmore arrived at Wembley. In fact the Jubilee Controllers, of late have taken to terminating some of the Canon's Park trains at Neasden and sending them straight to depot. (These are the trains which otherwise then run empty from Stanmore Sidings to Wembley and Neasden Depot). That must be very messy. So these unscheduled Neasden reversers have to cross the SB Jubilee line and the SB Met line - with all those fast trains as well! With the new Wembley stadium next year, and potential events kicking off at 8pm, there has been talk of extending those Willesden Green reversers at the end of the peak from around 7pm onwards to at least Wembley Park onwards - to assist with stadium traffic not having to be forced off trains at Willesden Green trains - but it seems that is impossible unless you do something very drastic - stepping back at Stanmore! These are just my thoughts by the way, not actual plans or anything like that. In fact there's alot here to respond to, but that will have to be when I have more time. One thing I will mention was that I was talking someone from the Timetables Office - he did research a decade back, about extending the Jubilee line to have a second branch from Wembley Park to take over the Met line to Uxbridge. But that idea was ditched very early on. |
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Post by towerman on Aug 31, 2006 0:07:27 GMT
As for as I am aware apart from the wheel lathe no preventative maintenance is done on the 96TS at Neasden,only nightly test,cleaning and clearing of defect logs,there's only trains stabled there between the peaks to balance the ramp up to peak service from both ends.There's no reason why the early PM stablers can't go to Stanmore.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2006 9:16:02 GMT
As for as I am aware apart from the wheel lathe no preventative maintenance is done on the 96TS at Neasden,only nightly test,cleaning and clearing of defect logs,there's only trains stabled there between the peaks to balance the ramp up to peak service from both ends.There's no reason why the early PM stablers can't go to Stanmore. Am I the only one who wants to know why a wheel lathe for 96TS was installed at Neasden when everyone seemed convinced that the Jubilee might stop stabling trains there? One would hope that an extra road would go in at Stanmore to house the lathe, which would need to be removed from Neasden, but I have a feeling that the lathe won't be moved. |
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Post by towerman on Aug 31, 2006 18:57:31 GMT
We have been told that an all singing all dancing wheel lathe from Germany will be installed on 44rd at SMD.
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Post by citysig on Aug 31, 2006 19:23:33 GMT
Am I the only one who wants to know why a wheel lathe for 96TS was installed at Neasden when everyone seemed convinced that the Jubilee might stop stabling trains there? One would hope that an extra road would go in at Stanmore to house the lathe, which would need to be removed from Neasden, but I have a feeling that the lathe won't be moved. Why move it? A60 wheels (amongst others I have heard) are made of metal too and not some highly techno-wotsit-plasto-rubber stuff. I heard a rumour that the new stock may also have metal wheels. Basically, in short, whatever woes the Jubilee currently suffers, most will be ironed out in the next couple of years. By then, Stanmore sidings will have been extended to take 2 trains per road. The new signalling and ATO will be up and running. Neasden depot will be out of bounds to the little trains. The remaining links between the Jub and Met will have been either severed or had huge restrictions on them. But most important of all in the plans. I won't have to control it anymore ;D ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2006 10:17:42 GMT
Am I the only one who wants to know why a wheel lathe for 96TS was installed at Neasden when everyone seemed convinced that the Jubilee might stop stabling trains there? One would hope that an extra road would go in at Stanmore to house the lathe, which would need to be removed from Neasden, but I have a feeling that the lathe won't be moved. Why move it? A60 wheels (amongst others I have heard) are made of metal too and not some highly techno-wotsit-plasto-rubber stuff. I heard a rumour that the new stock may also have metal wheels. I thought lathes were made to fit the stock, not the wheel. Just goes to show how stupid I can really be  Basically, in short, whatever woes the Jubilee currently suffers, most will be ironed out in the next couple of years. By then, Stanmore sidings will have been extended to take 2 trains per road. The new signalling and ATO will be up and running. Neasden depot will be out of bounds to the little trains. The remaining links between the Jub and Met will have been either severed or had huge restrictions on them. But most important of all in the plans. I won't have to control it anymore ;D ;D Will that give you more time to make tea see to the SSL? I've always wondered how hard it is for one signalling centre to look after multiple lines... |
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Post by citysig on Sept 2, 2006 7:03:04 GMT
Will that give you more time to make tea see to the SSL? I've always wondered how hard it is for one signalling centre to look after multiple lines... Nothing on the railway delays the making of tea. That comes first, followed by dealing with whatever delay is occuring on the SSL, followed by biscuits, followed by dealing with whatever delay is occuring on the Jubilee** ;D It is just as easy for one signalling centre to look after multiple lines, as it is for one centre to look after one long tube line. What you do is employ enough to staff to watch over everything. Despite how it may appear, it's not just me and Harsig who work there ;D Seriously, staff on shift normally split the whole area into 3 parts and work it from different desks. The parts comprise Met Line from Wembley to Baker Street, the city area from Baker Street to Aldgate and the Jubilee Line. **For the benefit of any Jubilee staff or Gutter Press watching, I am of course joking |
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Post by agoodcuppa on Sept 2, 2006 7:17:24 GMT
Despite how it may appear, it's not just me and Harsig who work there ;D We realise that. It's a well known fact that no one actually works there. If anyone did any work, there'd be no time to make and drink tea. ;D |
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Post by citysig on Sept 2, 2006 11:30:48 GMT
We realise that. It's a well known fact that no one actually works there. If anyone did any work, there'd be no time to make and drink tea. ;D Ouch ;D That was a little harsh. What or who do you know to make such a sweeping judgment? As I have stated, there's more than 2 of us. Each shift has at least 4 people on it, and with only 3 of them sorting out the tea and biscuits (or cake) that leaves at least 1 person to look after everything else ;D (Dear Managers. Please note the extent to which my tongue is forced against my cheek.) |
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Post by agoodcuppa on Sept 2, 2006 13:14:08 GMT
We realise that. It's a well known fact that no one actually works there. If anyone did any work, there'd be no time to make and drink tea. ;D Ouch ;D That was a little harsh. What or who do you know to make such a sweeping judgment? I'm an ex-signalman. |
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Post by citysig on Sept 3, 2006 6:49:48 GMT
That's a little better, but still harsh unless you're an ex-signalman from the SCC ;D
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2006 16:14:11 GMT
Will that give you more time to make tea see to the SSL? I've always wondered how hard it is for one signalling centre to look after multiple lines... Nothing on the railway delays the making of tea. That comes first, followed by dealing with whatever delay is occuring on the SSL, followed by biscuits, followed by dealing with whatever delay is occuring on the Jubilee** ;D What a minute - I didn't know the signalman made the tea, I thought that was the apprentice's job when he wasn't working the signals ;D It is just as easy for one signalling centre to look after multiple lines, as it is for one centre to look after one long tube line. What you do is employ enough to staff to watch over everything. Despite how it may appear, it's not just me and Harsig who work there ;D Actually, how many signalman do work at the SCC at any given time? Four? |
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Post by Tubeboy on Sept 3, 2006 20:17:31 GMT
I saw a couple of signal ops on duty at Neasden SCC recently when I was visiting.
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Post by c5 on Sept 3, 2006 20:23:51 GMT
I saw a couple of signal ops on duty at Neasden SCC recently when I was visiting. Gosh, Tubeboy.... Dont insult CitySig like that. There are usually about 4 SCCAs at Baker Street in the "SpaceShip" whenever I pop in. Sometimes I even get offered a cup of tea- and not an apprentice in sight ;D |
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Post by citysig on Sept 4, 2006 15:15:45 GMT
Actually, how many signalman do work at the SCC at any given time? Four? Yes 4 per shift, utilised on the sections I mentioned above, plus one extra person for meal-relief cover. As for making our own tea, I know it is a blooming disgrace in this day and age. All this responsibility and technology and we still have to put our own kettle on. I saw a couple of signal ops on duty at Neasden SCC recently when I was visiting. If you generally mean signalling controller type people, then yes, they have them too (though they're not as good-looking as us ) Gosh, Tubeboy.... Dont insult CitySig like that. There are usually about 4 SCCAs at Baker Street in the "SpaceShip" whenever I pop in. Sometimes I even get offered a cup of tea- and not an apprentice in sight ;D Gosh, C5... Don't insult me like that. We're not SCCAs anymore. We never did "assist" anything or anyone, and now the company has spent all that money thinking up our new job titles, you could at least have the decency to use them. You wicked wicked Divisional Information Assistant ;D |
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Post by DWS on Sept 4, 2006 17:34:09 GMT
I saw a couple of signal ops on duty at Neasden SCC recently when I was visiting. The staff at Neasden SCC and Stratford Market Depot are Service Controllers if you dont mind Tubeboy ;D |
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Post by citysig on Sept 5, 2006 14:09:28 GMT
The staff at Neasden SCC and Stratford Market Depot are Service Controllers I could say something here, but I will hold my tongue |
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