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Post by ruislip on Jan 31, 2009 23:14:02 GMT
I have noticed this from my collection of WTTs and other timetables. What I'd like to know is if trains have ever ran in service, in the opposite direction, only to Finchley Road--since it would seem easier to run into Neasden from there when compared to leaving service at Wembley Park.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2009 23:46:47 GMT
Not as far as I know. Any Met trains heading for Neasden depot (south end) especially after the morning peak would go empty, as several were scheduled to go via the Bakerloo Line (as it was then) from Finchley Road to Neasden and then straight into depot. Met trains accessed the Bakerloo at Finchley Road via one of two crossovers - the one immediately south of the station (which was removed some years ago) or the one immediately north of the station (which survived until just after the Camden Town derailment - similar type of points I am led to believe). A much lesser number went via the Bakerloo evenings and at night.
It was thus easier for a Met train from the City to detrain at Baker Street platform 2 and then proceed empty rather than detrain in one of two platforms at Finchley Road. Similarly with a Baker Street reverser, it was easier to depart empty to Neasden via the Bakerloo.
Can Tubeprune please confirm?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2009 20:52:32 GMT
I have noticed this from my collection of WTTs and other timetables. What I'd like to know is if trains have ever ran in service, in the opposite direction, only to Finchley Road--since it would seem easier to run into Neasden from there when compared to leaving service at Wembley Park. The night turns used to run in-service NB from Finchley Road, over the points onto the Jubilee, then call at all stations to (I think) Neasden, then into Neasden depot. I can't remember going into Wembley 2 via the NB points then into the depot. This was a night turn and I only done it a few times. It was the last train NB from Baker after the Jub had finished, effectively running the last Jub service. This finished a while ago, I guess 2002?  |
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Post by stanmorek on Feb 1, 2009 21:47:59 GMT
Not as far as I know. Met trains accessed the Bakerloo at Finchley Road via one of two crossovers - the one immediately south of the station (which was removed some years ago) or the one immediately north of the station (which survived until just after the Camden Town derailment - similar type of points I am led to believe)... Interesting to learn about a crossover south of Finchley Road. I know that there is a distance between the station and the Jubilee tunnel headwall but didn't know there is enough room to take a Met line train. The Jubilee tracks seem to dive into a gradient to meet the tube tunnel headwalls as soon as they leave the end of the platforms. And the Jubilee tracks are flanked by retaining walls due to the difference in level with the Metropolitan lines. I've seen some archive drawings showing the old Metropolitan tunnel headwall to be filled with concrete so that the Bakerloo tunnels could be bored through and emerge at Finchley Road. |
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Post by Ben on Feb 1, 2009 22:54:09 GMT
Theres a video on youtube by a60stock of a cab ride in 1992 from Baker Street to points north. Going northbound there is a section of track where both are parallel (albeit curved)and level just before the station. Quite narrow columns are supporting the building above, apart from a suspiciously long looking gap in them. Perhaps the crossover was there?
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Post by bassmike on Feb 2, 2009 14:45:07 GMT
yes there was a crossover south of finchley road using the gap between the colums mentioed. several railtours on which I travelled used it causing suprise at a surface stock train running through the NB bakerloo platform.
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Post by stanmorek on Feb 2, 2009 16:20:03 GMT
Now that both crossovers are gone do the glass U-tube track circuit devices protecting surface stock from the tube tunnels still exist?
According to risk assessments the chances of a derailment are higher at points and crossings. I wonder if this was a contributing factor for the removal of the southern crossover? Being so close to structural columns supporting a covered way. I think there are a few such situations around the system.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2009 17:17:23 GMT
The detector U-tubes are still at the north end of the southbound Jubilee Line.
The removed crossovers are on the northbound. The one just south of the station was removed when the Met/Jubilee was being resignalled (no date - will try and find), probably because they didn't need two after 1/1/79. The Mets that went to Neasden south end after the morning and evening peaks via the Bakerloo were withdrawn when the Jubilee Line opened, basically because there wasn't room for them with the increased Jubilee Line service. The one just north of Finchley Road station was kept for emergencies and the very few late-night Met trains (and maybe an early morning one as well?) that worked all stations.
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Post by tubeprune on Feb 2, 2009 19:34:17 GMT
Not as far as I know. Any Met trains heading for Neasden depot (south end) especially after the morning peak would go empty, as several were scheduled to go via the Bakerloo Line (as it was then) from Finchley Road to Neasden and then straight into depot. Met trains accessed the Bakerloo at Finchley Road via one of two crossovers - the one immediately south of the station (which was removed some years ago) or the one immediately north of the station (which survived until just after the Camden Town derailment - similar type of points I am led to believe). A much lesser number went via the Bakerloo evenings and at night. It was thus easier for a Met train from the City to detrain at Baker Street platform 2 and then proceed empty rather than detrain in one of two platforms at Finchley Road. Similarly with a Baker Street reverser, it was easier to depart empty to Neasden via the Bakerloo. Can Tubeprune please confirm? Confirmed. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2009 17:54:15 GMT
Regarding glass tubes, there are now only 2 left on the underground: North Ealing, despite the District's operations having ceased down there over 40 years ago, and at the Earls Court end of Barons Court platform, just as the Piccadilly line goes into tube tunnel.
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Post by Oracle on Feb 3, 2009 18:07:47 GMT
Have the ones at Hounslow Central gone then? And what happens when agreen train decides to visit South Harrow, say?
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Post by Colin on Feb 3, 2009 18:10:57 GMT
Regarding glass tubes, there are now only 2 left on the underground: North Ealing, despite the District's operations having ceased down there over 40 years ago, and at the Earls Court end of Barons Court platform, just as the Piccadilly line goes into tube tunnel. Based on what Oracle says, and reganorak a couple of posts further up....... Have the ones at Hounslow Central gone then? The detector U-tubes are still at the north end of the southbound Jubilee Line. Are you sure you have your facts right? In fact I know you are wrong as the Piccadilly ones at Barons Court are at the Hammersmith end, before trains reach the platform - not the Earls Court end. And bearing in mind North Ealing is on the way to South Harrow and Rayners Lane....... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2009 19:36:17 GMT
The "tubes" (not mercury any more apparently - Health & Safety and all that?) are between Hammersmith and Barons Court on the EB Picc, North end of Finchley Road SB Jubilee platform, and WB between Hounslow Central and Hounslow West.
The one at the north end of the SB platform at East Finchley was removed in the 1970s and it was suggested (although not confirmed) that the bitsfrom this went to make the Hounslow site.
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Post by Ben on Feb 4, 2009 13:33:31 GMT
I asked the same question about the mercury a year or so ago. I think someone said they were just painted with metalic paint now.
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Post by roythebus on Feb 4, 2009 18:53:29 GMT
I worked at ricky late 73/early 74 and we used to run the first and last Mets via the Bakerloo. We also had a couple of turns on the Ricky/Croxley triangle.
IIRC, the mercury tube at Barons court was on the Earls Court side of BC and it put back the stick on the entry to the tunnel.
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Post by metman on Feb 4, 2009 18:58:04 GMT
There is nothing at North Ealing because how would Sarah Siddons et al get to Ruislip etc?
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Post by Tom on Feb 4, 2009 22:38:51 GMT
I asked the same question about the mercury a year or so ago. I think someone said they were just painted with metalic paint now. Confirmed - they're a silver paint. Same effect, a lot less harmful. There are no surface stock detectors in the North Ealing area, the whole Rayners Lane branch is passed for surface stock with some restrictions around bridges. |
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