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Post by metman on Apr 16, 2009 23:58:32 GMT
A strange feeling as one travelled home on the A stock tonight. Ventilation provided from the seat backs! I've never noticed this before. At first I thought it was a leaky door pocket but the seals were in excellent condition on the windows/doors. The draught was coming from behind the seat, ie between the seat and its frame! The car was an A62 DM 5138.
Anyone else had this before?
O stock eat your heart out..... ;D
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Post by max on Apr 17, 2009 7:16:41 GMT
In the last years of Standard Stock on the Isle of Wight, a lot of the seat backs had slipped, and you could watch the track going by through the gaps.
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Post by neasdena60 on Apr 19, 2009 7:54:23 GMT
A strange feeling as one travelled home on the A stock tonight. Ventilation provided from the seat backs! I've never noticed this before. At first I thought it was a leaky door pocket but the seals were in excellent condition on the windows/doors. The draught was coming from behind the seat, ie between the seat and its frame! The car was an A62 DM 5138. Anyone else had this before? O stock eat your heart out..... ;D Plenty of old used holes in the car floor, under some seats. |
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Post by maxtube on Apr 19, 2009 8:33:11 GMT
A Stock generally falling to bits and requiring urgent replacement...
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Post by metman on Apr 19, 2009 9:48:19 GMT
Not at all! Compared with the 1992ts they're like spring chickens! Despite, the strange feeling of cool air on your neck, it was quite a nice feeling.  |
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Post by Ben on Apr 19, 2009 14:27:13 GMT
They really aren't falling to bits. Only the bogies. I wonder what the ride would be like now if trials had been sucessful with main line size wheel sets.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2009 15:06:04 GMT
Being hand built by Cravens coachmakers, featuring good old fashioned mechanical systems which a driver can cut out to keep the train moving (I know all trains have this, but A stock doesn't have all that computerised mumbo jumbo causing problems), having the best seats on the combine.....nothing wrong with the A stock. If some of the gear under the units was replaced, those things would be good for another 20 years. As for A stock and draughts, sit on the tip up seats in the first car......get it all! Especially an overpowering smell when a heavy brake application is made....what trains are all about!!! It will be a very sad day when the Met is all S stock  |
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Post by neasdena60 on Apr 19, 2009 17:19:56 GMT
Great stock. END OF.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Apr 19, 2009 17:27:13 GMT
soon will be, yes |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2009 18:12:27 GMT
at least there is some form of ventilation if the train is packed I think it's quite good tbh I think the A stock are doing quite well for their age I mean come on they are nearly the london underground's longest serving trains maybe it's a solution for the tube's temprature problems ;D |
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Post by metman on Apr 19, 2009 18:30:16 GMT
They are the Underground's longest serving fleet!
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Post by Tom on Apr 19, 2009 18:41:59 GMT
Not yet. Next year, however...
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Post by metman on Apr 19, 2009 19:42:12 GMT
What holds the record then?
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Post by astock5000 on Apr 19, 2009 20:03:38 GMT
Some people might say that it is 38TS or something, but I disagree. Only a few trains of 38TS lasted that long, and nearly all the A stock is still in service. A few trains isn't really a 'fleet'.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2009 20:05:17 GMT
1938 stock - 1938-88. Unless you count the 1935 stock as the 38ts family - then the A stock has to last an extra 2 years  |
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Post by metman on Apr 19, 2009 20:57:59 GMT
There were only four or five trains of 1938 stock in 1988 and they were returned to service on the Northern after the Bakerloo Line fleet had been withdrawn in 1985!
The Dreadnought Fleet was old 1910/1912-1961
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Post by Ben on Apr 19, 2009 21:04:45 GMT
Oh I dunno about the 1938 tube stock with that. It wasn't exactly a 'fleet' that survived in proportion. Only 5 trains, was it? Then again you could argue that, relatively speaking, a 38ts fleet is opperating on the IOW even now.
The longest lived of the standards lasted in a very depleted form on LUL metals from 27-84. 57 years? Regrettably I don't think the A's will last till 2017. Not that they wouldn't if given the chance!
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Post by Ben on Apr 19, 2009 21:05:23 GMT
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Post by astock5000 on Apr 19, 2009 21:14:35 GMT
There were only four or five trains of 1938 stock in 1988 and they were returned to service on the Northern after the Bakerloo Line fleet had been withdrawn in 1985! The Dreadnought Fleet was old 1910/1912-1961 'Only four or five trains' is not a fleet. Dreadnoughts were used for longer than the A stock has, but you could still say that A stock are the longest serving fleet of units the underground has had. |
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Post by metman on Apr 19, 2009 21:32:28 GMT
And with the Dreadnoughts only 9 were built in 1910 (on 1905 underframes) and were 51 on withdrawal!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2009 22:06:04 GMT
soon will be, yes Hopefully! I understand that a lot of people like them for sentimental reasons, but how many of them have to commute on A Stock during the summer heat?  |
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Post by metman on Apr 19, 2009 22:17:35 GMT
Well they are probably the some of the coolest trains on the network! They actually have windows! None of the tube stock or C stock have opening hopper windows.
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Post by Ben on Apr 20, 2009 1:12:41 GMT
I did every day between 1999 and 2007. The heat was never a problem above ground; and I doubt there much difference between stocks below ground. At least with the Met if you were patient enough and did a search through the whole train you would find a seat somewhere! Would you be that lucky on a C stock? Also, for ventillation, if it were too hot you could stick your head (slightly!) out of the end car window. You'ld go deaf, but cool down! Wont be able to do that on the S stock |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2009 15:27:22 GMT
I think it's a shame they are the only stock that have opening side windows!
they probably wont be in until 2017 but they will for a while yet...
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Post by metman on Apr 20, 2009 15:41:34 GMT
With any luck but unlikely! The D stock also have hopper opening toplights too. This was a modification in the early days to counter poor ventilation and probably gave the R stock an extra year life!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2009 15:46:55 GMT
soon will be, yes Hopefully! I understand that a lot of people like them for sentimental reasons, but how many of them have to commute on A Stock during the summer heat? No, not soon will be  People had the same thoughts when the 95's were bought in on the Northern......the whole line lost a lot of it's atmosphere because of those trains.....and those same people preferred it with 59's running about. Lovely old trains, and the 72's in their original guise were great too. The longer the A stock stay, the better. They are our last link with real underground trains! |
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Post by Ben on Apr 20, 2009 17:04:19 GMT
Indeed, very true. The northern needed something though; it was opperationally advantageous to move to a symmetrical formation, and then it was utterly sensible to have one stock for the entire line. Without extending ~50 platforms, you couldnt run 8 cars of 52' stock, and 6 cars of it would decrease capacity. That leaves 8 short cars of ~45' or 6 long cars of ~58'.
Course if the kennington loop werent there a 7car formation wouldnt have been a problem; the centrals 62's could have been transfered to replace the 72ts, whose 4car units could have been cascaded onto the Vic/Bakerloo (3cars too)/W&C, the 92s to the Central, the 59/62 northern fleet totally reengineered and refurbished, and the money saved (if any!) used to reextend the Bakerloo to Watford.
I got slightly carried away there, sorry.
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Post by astock5000 on Apr 20, 2009 18:46:07 GMT
The northern needed something though; it was opperationally advantageous to move to a symmetrical formation I don't see the problem with not having a symmetrical formation. If you had 3-car and 4-car double ended and reversible units, then there are only two types of unit. Although 95TS units are reversible, they are single ended, so you still have two types of unit, and you can only couple them one way round: 95TS: DM-T-UNDM + UNDM-T-DM Reversible, double ended 3 and 4-car units: DM-T-DM + DM-T-T-DM or DM-T-T-DM + DM-T-DM |
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Post by metman on Apr 20, 2009 20:04:39 GMT
The problem with that is that the 7 car trains were always a little too long for the platforms and middle cabs are being eliminated from LU.
Generally the 95ts is operated as a block unit and only uncouple for maintenance I would expect.
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Post by astock5000 on Apr 20, 2009 20:09:20 GMT
The problem with that is that the 7 car trains were always a little too long for the platforms and middle cabs are being eliminated from LU. Generally the 95ts is operated as a block unit and only uncouple for maintenance I would expect. But then, if they are hardly ever uncoupled, why does having a symmetrical formation matter that much? |
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People had the same thoughts when the 95's were bought in on the Northern......the whole line lost a lot of it's atmosphere because of those trains.....and those same people preferred it with 59's running about. Lovely old trains, and the 72's in their original guise were great too. The longer the A stock stay, the better. They are our last link with real underground trains!
