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Post by superteacher on Jun 9, 2009 19:07:01 GMT
H & C has been showing part suspended for at least 15 mins now!!
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Post by astock5000 on Jun 9, 2009 19:12:02 GMT
It is showing part suspended now, but it still said 'good serivce' when I posted that. Anyway, they didn't change it for a while after they changed the Circle (to suspended) and Met (to suspended Baker Street - Aldgate). I think the Victoria will be completely suspended soon. If it says suspended SB, that means some trains are still going NB back to the depot, doesn't it?
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Post by superteacher on Jun 9, 2009 19:17:53 GMT
Victoria line now suspended Victoria- Brixton. Jubilee gone to minor delays.
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Post by astock5000 on Jun 9, 2009 19:18:58 GMT
Jubilee line now has minor delays. There are minor delays on the rest of the Victoria. EDIT: The District line now has severe delays on all services, not just wimbleware.
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Post by 21146 on Jun 9, 2009 19:53:56 GMT
"Operational Issues" was management-speak for any ramp-down of services which occured before the strike's official start time.
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Post by superteacher on Jun 9, 2009 19:57:31 GMT
Management "spin" more like - using fancy words just insults the public. Any delay is, by definition an operational issue, because it affects the operation of the service! Just be honest, and say that services may be affected before 7pm.
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Post by 21146 on Jun 9, 2009 20:01:43 GMT
I suppose it may have been deemed provocative to blame the RMT for delays which occured before their strike had actually began but in the end it's all spin and semantics. If the RMT had called the strike off at 1855 the ramp down was too late to stop in any case.
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Post by superteacher on Jun 9, 2009 20:04:41 GMT
Well the Bakerloo and W&C are the only lines totally suspended due to the action - will be interesting to see what things are like in the morning.
EDIT - The Met has just gone to "suspended".
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Post by astock5000 on Jun 9, 2009 20:08:44 GMT
Management "spin" more like - using fancy words just insults the public. Any delay is, by definition an operational issue, because it affects the operation of the service! Just be honest, and say that services may be affected before 7pm. I agree. If they knew that the service would be affected before the strike started, they should have told the passengers. They were telling people to make sure they finished their journey before 7pm, when the Bakerloo was suspended a while before 7. The Jubilee line now has severe delays.
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Post by superteacher on Jun 9, 2009 20:10:01 GMT
Think the Jubilee is about to be suspended west of Waterloo.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2009 20:14:03 GMT
Piccadilly & Nothern lines Still showing as a good Service
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Post by astock5000 on Jun 9, 2009 20:19:13 GMT
The H&C has been suspended due to the strike.
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Post by astock5000 on Jun 9, 2009 20:55:01 GMT
Think the Jubilee is about to be suspended west of Waterloo. It's still being shown as 'severe delays'. The Picc is suspended between South Harrow and Uxbridge.
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Post by superteacher on Jun 9, 2009 21:01:16 GMT
The reason why I mentioned the Jub was because the departure boards are showing all the wesbound trains terminating at Waterloo.
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Post by astock5000 on Jun 9, 2009 21:06:30 GMT
It probably will be suspended soon though, possibly the whole line, as the departure boards are showing no WB trains between Stanmore and Baker Street, and no EB trains between Stanmore and Bond Street.
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Post by superteacher on Jun 9, 2009 21:07:38 GMT
I think they may keep a Stratford - Waterloo service going.
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Post by astock5000 on Jun 9, 2009 21:10:33 GMT
Jubilee has now been changed to 'part suspended' (suspended Stanmore - Waterloo, severe delays Waterloo - Stratford).
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Post by superteacher on Jun 9, 2009 21:12:34 GMT
It seems to me that any part of a line that runs over or parallel to the Met has also been suspended, hence the Picc South Harrow to Uxbridge and the Jub Waterloo to Stanmore.
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Post by superteacher on Jun 9, 2009 21:14:54 GMT
I think the Central may be next to start losing bits!
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Post by ek583 on Jun 9, 2009 21:16:10 GMT
How come the Northern is still having a 'good service'? And the frequency doesn't seem too bad either.
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Post by Tubeboy on Jun 9, 2009 21:18:56 GMT
It might be running Waterloo-Stratford but there are huge gaps, up to 40 mins.
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Post by superteacher on Jun 9, 2009 21:19:00 GMT
Not sure - is the Northern more of an ASLEF line? I think some of the issues on the other lines are now involving signal operators and control staff - it doesn't matter how many drivers are available then!
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Post by astock5000 on Jun 9, 2009 21:19:09 GMT
It seems to me that any part of a line that runs over or parallel to the Met has also been suspended, hence the Picc South Harrow to Uxbridge and the Jub Waterloo to Stanmore. And also, Chiltern is suspended between Marylebone and Great Missendon. I think some of the issues on the other lines are now involving signal operators and control staff - it doesn't matter how many drivers are available then! That is probably what happened on the Met, as the Jubilee, Piccadilly and Chiltern are suspended where the run on/next to the Met.
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Post by upfast on Jun 9, 2009 21:23:06 GMT
Not sure - is the Northern more of an ASLEF line? I think some of the issues on the other lines are now involving signal operators and control staff - it doesn't matter how many drivers are available then! They train managers/volunteers on a generic simulator and then put them on a signal desk so someone told me. They are then supervised by someone else.
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Post by superteacher on Jun 9, 2009 21:24:52 GMT
The Central line service seems to be disintegrating rapidly!
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Post by astock5000 on Jun 9, 2009 21:30:54 GMT
How come the Northern is still having a 'good service'? And the frequency doesn't seem too bad either. And apart from South Harrow - Uxbridge, the Picc has a good service. The Central line service seems to be disintegrating rapidly! It is, and so is the District line's service.
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Post by astock5000 on Jun 9, 2009 21:52:55 GMT
The Victoria line has been suspended between Seven Sisters and Walthamstow Central.
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Post by superteacher on Jun 9, 2009 21:56:46 GMT
The Victoria line has been suspended between Seven Sisters and Walthamstow Central. Yeah that's been quite a while now. The Central has had a 40 min gap in the westbound, but a couple of trains are now going through. Surely the last dregs, or can it keep going until normal close of traffic?
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Post by astock5000 on Jun 9, 2009 22:04:34 GMT
The District is even worse now. The departure boards are only showing three trains on the District: one train leaving Richmond, one at Wimbledon, and one is shown as 1 minute away from Upminster, going west. I don't know why the District is still shown as severe delays, it must be suspended.
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Post by Colin on Jun 9, 2009 22:37:09 GMT
The District was as good as suspended when I put my train away at 9pm - so I'd be very surprised if it's still running anything. You are probably 'seeing' glitches in the trackernet system or something!! Anyway, at least Joe public can see what's what with all that detailed commentary... There is a fundamental error which does need pulling up though: During the last strike, nothing ran at all if I recall correctly. Don't think it was just drivers that time though. It was never the drivers last time - in fact it wasn't even LUL staff last time! The last major strike was by staff working for Metronet, when it was separate from LU - because the trains were not prepared for service, and the track wasn't inspected, LU couldn't run a service despite having all their operational staff available. The only exception was the Jubilee, Picc and Northern as they are maintained by Tubelines.
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