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Post by dannyofelmpark on Jul 22, 2009 19:53:59 GMT
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Post by jswallow on Jul 22, 2009 20:34:15 GMT
The purple was vinyl, but the stock's all going in for repaint and rebranding as National Express / c2c. And before the usual naysayers come along saying it's a waste of money, it's happening at a planned maintenance point.
Interestingly though, the artist's impression in the c2c magazine shows them as white with BLUE doors, not green, so at a guess this picture is before it goes off to repaint.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 22, 2009 21:41:51 GMT
The purple was vinyl, but the stock's all going in for repaint and rebranding as National Express / c2c. And before the usual naysayers come along saying it's a waste of money, it's happening at a planned maintenance point. Interestingly though, the artist's impression in the c2c magazine shows them as white with BLUE doors, not green, so at a guess this picture is before it goes off to repaint. |
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Post by upfast on Jul 23, 2009 0:28:28 GMT
The purple was vinyl, but the stock's all going in for repaint and rebranding as National Express / c2c. And before the usual naysayers come along saying it's a waste of money, it's happening at a planned maintenance point. Interestingly though, the artist's impression in the c2c magazine shows them as white with BLUE doors, not green, so at a guess this picture is before it goes off to repaint. That to me looks like the original LTS livery (which I think these trains must have been in), before going c2c purple. The purple was vinyl, but the stock's all going in for repaint and rebranding as National Express / c2c. And before the usual naysayers come along saying it's a waste of money, it's happening at a planned maintenance point. Interestingly though, the artist's impression in the c2c magazine shows them as white with BLUE doors, not green, so at a guess this picture is before it goes off to repaint. In the other version (layed out the same) they have blue doors! Personally, I'm suprised that NEG are still going ahead. They are going from a trusted brand to National Express, which is has a bit of a negative reputation at the moment! |
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Post by jswallow on Jul 23, 2009 6:18:12 GMT
That's what I meant, it's a picture of a devinyled one, as opposed to a repainted for NXc2c livery one.
Same here. I think NX are on their last legs. I suppose we should be glad that at least they didn't decide to lose the 'c2c' name as well, which was threatened at one point.
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Post by upfast on Jul 23, 2009 8:49:07 GMT
Well financially NEG are in a very bad state financially. Though their coachwork (as they do now operate most of it themselves) has a much better name than their remaining rail work!
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Post by Colin on Jul 23, 2009 10:32:30 GMT
The class 357's were indeed originally delivered all over White; the first batch (357001 - 357046) had Green doors, and the second batch (357201 - 357228) had Grey doors.
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Post by maxtube on Jul 23, 2009 11:00:18 GMT
Thank god that old livery is going. It was just a bad version of that WAGN livery that used to be on the 317/1s.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 24, 2009 6:59:12 GMT
One 357 (357 203) has already received the full NaEx c2c livery and branding, it was hiding in the sheds at East Ham this morning.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 31, 2009 7:37:31 GMT
357 203 is running in service today as a great advert for NaEx! Lets hope it's not diverted through Stratford today! added: this shot at speed rather oddly distorted the shape of the doors! tinyurl.com/mhj7vl |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2009 15:51:12 GMT
The graffiti vandals are going to love that, a nice blank white train to colour in!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2009 15:57:35 GMT
It could get interesting in a few weeks time, when the trains that have been painted get diverted into/out of Liverpool Street. Might catch out a few unsuspecting Southend Victoria passengers!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2009 0:53:50 GMT
Thank god that old livery is going. It was just a bad version of that WAGN livery that used to be on the 317/1s. I've a feeling it's the other way round. As I recall c2c first tried the colour scheme out on 357025 and 357027, which they later slightly modified and adopted for the entire 357 fleet. WAGN then adopted the colour scheme as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2009 10:22:57 GMT
I am a cynic and I think this re-branding has a lot to do with NE trying to hold onto this franchise after giving up The East Coast route. I also preferred the old purple/green livery.
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Post by geebeezed on Aug 4, 2009 15:33:02 GMT
Well, it remains to be seen wether they keep the Franchise or not... We know Firstgroup made a punt for the business but withdrew... IT seems that Stagecoach are making moves and internal sources suggest Overground had a look as well.... Strange days indeed.  |
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Post by Colin on Aug 5, 2009 1:09:09 GMT
So are we suggesting the c2c route is now desirable? That's quite a turn around from it's "Misery Line" days!!!.......
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2009 5:21:50 GMT
So are we suggesting the c2c route is now desirable? That's quite a turn around from it's "Misery Line" days!!!....... It's certainly been a desirable alternative during the strikes on National Express East Anglia! Apparently it's also managers thrown in for this week's disruption! Strike or not, it is actually quicker for me to get to East London by catching a bus to Basildon than going from Wickford, Wickford is 95 minutes, whereas Basildon I can comfortably do it in 50! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2009 20:10:46 GMT
C2C offer one of the best services I have ever used in Britain. Comfortable, punctual and clean. But the best thing is, they apologise when the train will be 1-2 mins late as opposed to 10-20 mins late as with some other franchises.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2009 20:22:33 GMT
I see one of these new liveried trains in East Ham Depot this morning, horrid unfinished looking trains.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2009 7:54:11 GMT
C2C offer one of the best services I have ever used in Britain. Comfortable, punctual and clean. But the best thing is, they apologise when the train will be 1-2 mins late as opposed to 10-20 mins late as with some other franchises. Another benefit of c2c. In fact, I can't find anything to fault them on! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2009 8:29:03 GMT
C2C offer one of the best services I have ever used in Britain. Comfortable, punctual and clean. But the best thing is, they apologise when the train will be 1-2 mins late as opposed to 10-20 mins late as with some other franchises. Another benefit of c2c. In fact, I can't find anything to fault them on! now that is very true! |
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Post by geebeezed on Aug 7, 2009 7:13:01 GMT
Just goes to show what some decent kit, a bit of investment and better management can do... I would think that if Stagecoach take it over the old 'L,T & S' brand will reappear, possibly 'LTS Trains' or somesuch.
What if Boris takes it on? Will it be 'Overground outer?' Outer overground?... Or give the 357s third rail kit & run 'em on the District and call it Outeroverunderground?
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Seems strange that in all the modernisation thats gone on on the LT&S, over the fence in Shoeburyness there are still class 302 vehicles...
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Post by thirstquensher on Aug 12, 2009 18:56:31 GMT
How would 'Overground' take it over though?
Either:
a) TfL get awarded the powers to be the concessionaire for the LTS franchise so the DfT no longer control the appointment of franchisee, then TfL get the choice of letting LOROL run it or someone else
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b) LOROL as an independent company bid to run it, as a franchisee appointed by the DfT, which would mean not having to (or being allowed to) run under TfL/Overground branding, but under some other branding that they would decide.
a) seems unlikely but I don't see how realistic/welcome b) would be in TfL's eyes.
Not that I wouldn't like to see them give it a try, that is.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2009 12:27:22 GMT
Seems strange that in all the modernisation thats gone on on the LT&S, over the fence in Shoeburyness there are still class 302 vehicles... To my knowledge, the only remaining class 302 cars are at Mangapps Farm - all the rest having been cut up sometime ago. |
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 6, 2010 11:28:34 GMT
sorry for bump, new picture showing 357 209 outside East Ham depot with it's c2c purple vinyl removed. It reveals the original white with additional purple painted patches, these were added to hide the difficult white areas under the vinyl. An original green buffer cover is revealed too: tinyurl.com/33b89tt |
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