Wimbledon-Point Pleasant Junction

[Oracle]

SAT22 2110 Weymouth - London diverted after Wimbledon, likely via
Point Pleasant

This train is a candidate to go that route, or via Virginia Water if there are engineering works.

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Trains via said route on SWT (in new TT) are:

0454 Basingstoke - Waterloo
0042 London Waterloo - Strawberry Hill
0105 London Waterloo - Southampton Central
0142 London Waterloo - Twickenham

ie, same as last time.

[Oracle]

From GENSHEET group:

According to the SWT passenger magazine 'e-motion':

'Over the course of the Easter weekend of 2008, NR will be carrying out track renewal work at Clapham Jct. As a result, the following mainline services will be diverted from Good Friday 21 March to Monday 24 March.

.............Two Basingstoke/Alton to Waterloo services per hour, two Woking to Waterloo services per hour and two Shepperton to Waterloo services per hour diverted via East Putney. (Sunday: Woking service starts at Guildford; one Kingston via Shepperton and one Twickenham via Kingston). Some of the above will call at additional stations.

....................The only 'bus service will be a ten minute service between Clapham Jct and Wimbledon serving Earlsfield, and on Good Friday, Saturday and Easter Monday between Virginia Water and Weybridge.

Some services will start/terminate at Wimbledon'.

Will the diversions require any special WTT then?

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oracle said:

.............Two Basingstoke/Alton to Waterloo services per hour, two Woking to Waterloo services per hour and two Shepperton to Waterloo services per hour diverted via East Putney. (Sunday: Woking service starts at Guildford; one Kingston via Shepperton and one Twickenham via Kingston). Some of the above will call at additional stations.

Will the diversions require any special WTT then?

There will be some sort of special WTT on LUL due to the frequency of the service that SWT will be operating. I heard some rumours through my SWT contacts that the 455 operated services will be calling at Wmbo Park and Southfields but I cant quite believe that.

[happybunny]

That would be interesting!

[Ben]

If a SWT driver did open the doors, be it inadvertently, at the intermediate stations on the branch, what should follow procedure-wise, and what would in reality happen?

[Colin]

There are engineering works taking place in tandem in the Bayswater area - so there won't be any C stocks running (ie, no Edgware Road - Wimbledon service) - that in turn frees up the paths required by SWT.

Joined up planning for a change it seems.

[Oracle]

If a SWT driver did open the doors, be it inadvertently, at the intermediate stations on the branch, what should follow procedure-wise, and what would in reality happen?

I have read the pdf file that relates to the branch, and the agreeement is that / was that no NR trains would in effect stop and detrain and I suppose entrain at the intermediate stations except in an emergency and as agreed with at LU. Others may know the exact agreement but no doubt it would involve contact with station staff and thence up the chain?

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colin said:

There are engineering works taking place in tandem in the Bayswater area - so there won't be any C stocks running (ie, no Edgware Road - Wimbledon service) - that in turn frees up the paths required by SWT.

Joined up planning for a change it seems.

Are you telling me the railway has actually made a plan where it works?!

Expect slow running if you're going down to Wimbledon when the 450s are in the area... ;D

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tubechallenger said:

colin said:

There are engineering works taking place in tandem in the Bayswater area - so there won't be any C stocks running (ie, no Edgware Road - Wimbledon service) - that in turn frees up the paths required by SWT.

Joined up planning for a change it seems.

Are you telling me the railway has actually made a plan where it works?!

Expect slow running if you're going down to Wimbledon when the 450s are in the area... ;D

its very worrying

[Oracle]

From GENSHEET re this weekend:

SUNDAY Clapham to Wimbledon blocked to 1600.
Long distance services from London diverted via Virginia Water
Local down services from London diverted via East Putney
Chessington branch runs from Wimbledon only, #

Don't know about UP trains

[Deleted]

Up services running normal route!

[Oracle]

Ta Tom! You would know of course! Only ever done the route once on BR train: Class 50-hauled!

[Deleted]

Done it many a time on a 442!

I once heard a story about a chap at Wimbledon depot putting together 3 REPs (3000hp for a 4 car unit, so 9000hp in total). Put it in shunt, knocked out the local substation and suspended the District E Putney - Wimbo and all services around Wimbledon for about 5 hours while they replaced a few fuses. ;D

[Oracle]

Done it many a time on a 442!

;D

When the REPs were new, long before you were born T, , 3 x 4-REPs were stuck together and sent down to Bournemouth from Waterloo to see what would happen, etc. At that time I used to hang around at New Milton (1968-9) on holiday as a schoolkid and watch the new electric trains, one of which was the 8-VAB, usually coupled to a 4-car, and the whole combo used to sometimes have to stop, let pax off, them move forward to allow the rear pax to get off. I wonder if the fab VAB ever went up the branch?

[happybunny]

I saw a SWT train at 1.30 (I think 6 or 8 cars) going towards Wimbledon today, in Passenger service I think it had Hampton Court on the front.

I saw it in-between Southfields and Wimbledon Park. Anyone know if this train is timetabled to take this route, or if there was engineering/problems?

[Oracle]

From previous posting on P1:

From GENSHEET re this weekend:

SUNDAY Clapham to Wimbledon blocked to 1600.
Long distance services from London diverted via Virginia Water
Local down services from London diverted via East Putney
Chessington branch runs from Wimbledon only, #


Don't know about UP trains

Did anyone get any pix? I am after some!

In this month's RAILWAY WORLD I think it was (scanning in Smith's) there was a photo circa 1948 of a light pacific with a long milk train, at Wimbledon, running Down, with headcode for Stewarts Lane or Nine Elms to....Bournemouth [?] via East Putney.

[happybunny]

Oh sorry didn't see that *blush*

[Oracle]

Sorry about that...it was on the previous page!

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oracle said:

3 x 4-REPs were stuck together and sent down to Bournemouth from Waterloo to see what would happen,

0-100mph in 70 seconds or something like that? Well, as it was those days... 0-125mph then... ;D

I wonder if the fab VAB ever went up the branch?

Pretty much everything has been via Wimbo Park...

[Oracle]

"They" wanted to see what would happen to the electrickery supply should the 3 x 3,300 bhp ever happen. This would be about the time of the converted Crompton, later Bagpipe Class 33, and the ex-coaching stock that became a 8-car? TC set that was trundled up and down from Waterloo.

[Oracle]

Pix have come through of 450 043 at East Putney thanks to Bill Willson.

[Rich32]

oracle said:

Pix have come through of 455 043 at East Putney thanks to Bill Willson.

Since when has there been a class 455/0?

[gavelex]

I saw a 455 refurb on the branch yesterday, dont know the time, will tell yous when I look at the EXIF data on the pic.

[21146]

Around 1980 there was weekend engineering work on Putney Bridge (Fulham Railway Bridge to be accurate) and BR ran a shuttle between Wimbledon and East Putney platform 3 using 4-car class 508 units. I've submitted a photo of this to the LURS' Underground News so it may yet see the light of day to a wider audience...

[taylor]

happybunny said:

I saw a SWT train at 1.30 (I think 6 or 8 cars) going towards Wimbledon today, in Passenger service I think it had Hampton Court on the front.

I saw it in-between Southfields and Wimbledon Park. Anyone know if this train is timetabled to take this route, or if there was engineering/problems?

Yes it was. On 3 Feb, during engineers’ possession of the up and down main slow and down main at CLJ, all down BSK, GLD, HAV & HMC (Hampton Court) services were scheduled from WAT to be routed via the Windsor lines at CLJ, WNT, Point Pleasant Junction, East Putney and the route you describe. See below:

(My first post here! I’m visiting from Los Angeles)



450 089 leads the eight-car 11.47 WAT-BSK service from the down East Putney line crossing the up slow and up fast at Wimbledon North Junction to reach the down fast line, [P7], at WIM at 12.09 on 3 Feb.

At ~11.00 and 12.30, I traveled this route from WAT and CLJ via Point Pleasant Jct. on the 10.57 and 12.17 WAT-GLD and WAT-BSK services respectively. The conductor on the latter train announced the diversion via East Putney; it was held there for two minutes to allow the preceding District Line train to clear the road. SWT trains were timetabled to allow the between 15 and 24 minutes running time between CLJ and WIM.

At WIM, trains from CSS and DKG terminated at, and returned south from platform 6 (up fast). Most up WAT services crossed over from the up slow to up fast road just north of Wimbledon North Junction. I saw West of England services using the up fast through WIM.

T

BTW, can anyone explain the functioning of the three aspects on the ground level Signal Passed at Danger indicator with the blue surround on the up fast immediately in front of the second door of unit 450 089? (It bears a small plate with the inscription SPAD Indicator 1 W166/168 U1). The up slow counterpart of this ‘signal?’ is situated just to the left of the 20 mph speed restriction board, but in this view obliterated by the cabinet to the right of the telephone. And… for up fast services, why is the Up Platform Loop, P7 at CLJ preferred as a stopping point to P8? Just seems like extra switches to me).

[mrfs42]

taylor said:

BTW, can anyone explain the functioning of the three aspects on the ground level Signal Passed at Danger indicator with the blue surround on the up fast immediately in front of the second door of unit 450 089? (It bears a small plate with the inscription SPAD Indicator 1 W166/168 U1).

Yes, the aspects are all red - the centre one remains permanently lit when triggered and the top/bottom flash alternately around about 30 fpmin, IIRC [1]

It would only trigger in this circumstance if W166 was passed at danger and W168 roUte 1 likewise at danger (all routes for 166 and only one for 168).

[1] might be slightly quicker these days.

[Oracle]

From GENSHEET again:

SUNDAY Clapham _to_ Wimbledon blocked. Bus for Earlsfield. Up trains not affected.
Long distance services from London diverted via Virginia Water
Local down services from London diverted via East Putney
Chessington, Dorking and Guildford via Epsom services run from
Wimbledon only, #.
Hampton Court and Guildford via Cobham run from Surbiton only

I love going the l.w.r., long way round via Byflet Junction and Virginia Water...nice trip though Staines on main line stock but not when you want to get to and from town in a hurry!


On another issue, is the junction at Wimbledon to the Point Pleasant branch that the 450 is traversing 'Wimbledon North Junction' strictly?

[bassmike]

re types of stock having travelled this line. I'm sure that A4 Mallard passed through southbound in the 1970's/early 80's . Cant remember details.

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oracle said:

On another issue, is the junction at Wimbledon to the Point Pleasant branch that the 450 is traversing 'Wimbledon North Junction' strictly?

Yes.

The junction to the south of Wimbledon is Wimbledon South Jn. After Wimbledon Park, mainline trains are subject to 30mph (LUL are 45mph) through to the points just south of East Putney (East Putney Junction) which are 20mph, leading into the 20mph points to go onto the single to lead into Point Pleasant Jn. Point Pleasant Jn itself is 20mph from DS to District Line, thence 15mph over all the points to the UWF.