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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2010 15:02:45 GMT
So they are wedgelock then.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2010 15:50:15 GMT
Yes, the Schafenberg would have been an old picture, used for movement at Derby on trains 1 and 2.
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Post by superteacher on Jul 26, 2010 21:15:35 GMT
In the evening peak today, trains 205, 234, 236, 271 and 272 were 2009 stock. Not sure if there were any others that I didn't see.
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Post by PGtrips on Jul 26, 2010 22:35:52 GMT
So they are wedgelock then. I find that really surprising and interesting. Quite something that a coupler whose original design is over 70 years old has been specified for a brand new train. I guess it's a case of if it ain't broke, don't fix it....
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Post by Ben on Jul 26, 2010 23:06:57 GMT
Weren't Schafenberg couplers originally specified? Interesting but understandable its been changed.
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Post by carlovel1 on Jul 27, 2010 7:43:22 GMT
I got on train 272 and I stand by the point that these trains are hot and have rubbish ventilation
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Post by superteacher on Jul 27, 2010 10:29:53 GMT
I got on train 272 and I stand by the point that these trains are hot and have rubbish ventilation Although not as hot and airless as the 1967 stock. I do agree though, I think the ventilation could be better.
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Post by metnumber1 on Jul 27, 2010 12:05:21 GMT
I cannot with any authority say what type of couplers the 09 stock are fitted with, but I would be very surprised if the tried and tested 'Autocouplers' were ditched in favour of the Schafenberg BR type coupler. The 'Autocoupler' was originally designed by Westinghouse back in the late 1930's and although modified many times, still remains the most reliable coupling device for Tube Trains (and surface stock of course). The 'Autocouplers' were, at one time manufactured at the AEC works in Southall, and when that company went 'bust' the manufacturing rights were taken over by one of the senior managers who started up his own company to produce them for L.T. - (Radenton). Production of couplers and spares for all rolling stock continued for a number of years until the said company, Schafenberg bought them out - ostensibly to get their hands on the 'Autocoupler' - This then is perhaps where the Schafenberg coupler comes in - An LT/Westinghouse designed 'Autocoupler' under another name. Cheers. Jim Stringer (The bloke who used to test them!!!)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2010 17:20:44 GMT
Got my first 09 today - 14016 is the only car number I can pick out of the video. Anybody know what train that is? And can certainly say they have Wedgelocks on.
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Post by Rich32 on Jul 27, 2010 17:35:29 GMT
Got my first 09 today - 14016 is the only car number I can pick out of the video. Anybody know what train that is? And can certainly say they have Wedgelocks on. That'll be train 8. Easy way to work it out, even car numbers - halve the last 2 digits for the train, odd numbers add one then divide by 2.
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Post by auxsetreq on Jul 27, 2010 17:48:39 GMT
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Post by rincew1nd on Jul 27, 2010 18:14:06 GMT
Judging by the picture, that's a Wedgelock coupler.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2010 18:44:12 GMT
The media seems all too willing to jump on a tube story and blow it well out of proportion...
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Post by harlesden on Jul 27, 2010 18:54:47 GMT
The media seems all too willing to jump on a tube story and blow it well out of proportion... The problem is they don't actually jump on the tube. They all drive around in high performance cars. Journalists have a special talent for writing negatively about things they have no personal experience of
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Post by andypurk on Jul 27, 2010 20:41:36 GMT
I love the '23 times less reliable', typical bad reporting!! Would be nice to give some actual figures of the current reliability of the two types of stock.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2010 20:48:31 GMT
Until someone forces them out of their shiny cars the media will forever be talking fairy tales and blowing stuff out of proportion, unfortunately. Thing is new stuff never works properly straight away (even though it should, to be honest). I can't imagine the 67ts introduction with the ATO equipment went brilliantly straight away!
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Post by astock5000 on Jul 27, 2010 22:48:07 GMT
I saw trains 5 and 6 in service today: Train 6 departs Pimlico NB: Train 5 departs Pimlico SB: I got on train 272 and I stand by the point that these trains are hot and have rubbish ventilation I've been on 67TS and 09TS today, and didn't notice much of a difference.
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Post by superteacher on Jul 27, 2010 23:03:51 GMT
Until someone forces them out of their shiny cars the media will forever be talking fairy tales and blowing stuff out of proportion, unfortunately. Thing is new stuff never works properly straight away (even though it should, to be honest). I can't imagine the 67ts introduction with the ATO equipment went brilliantly straight away! I suppose with the 1967 stock, they were able to test them for a period before the line opened, as well as between Hainault and Woodford on the Central line. Haven't read much about the early days of the Vic though, would be interesting to find out how reliable the 67 stock were in the early days. Also, the 1967 stock's reliablity has decreased in the last few years, unsurprisingly considering their age. These pathetic newspaper articles make it sound like the old trains never break down! Passengers stating that the new trains should be taken out of service will then moan when the service suffers, as there are no longer enough 67 stock to run the full service! EDIT: BBC News story about 2009 stock problems www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-10797199
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Post by superteacher on Jul 30, 2010 9:44:56 GMT
On Thursday in the evening peak, set numbers 234, 236, 237, 244, 271 and 272 were 2009 stock. On two occasions, I saw consesuctive 2009 stock, although they don't always stay that way, with some trains being Seven Sisters reversers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2010 16:55:17 GMT
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Post by superteacher on Jul 30, 2010 18:00:18 GMT
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Post by rincew1nd on Jul 30, 2010 18:38:09 GMT
I got a text tonight from one of my friends that lives in Brixton:
"Finally got on a new Victoria Line train. They are shiny and new.. And shiny."
I don't think we can argue with that!
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Post by uzairjubilee on Jul 30, 2010 18:58:10 GMT
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Post by louvrerivoli on Aug 2, 2010 19:38:12 GMT
I've been on train 11 yesterday evening from Oxford Circus to Finsbury Park. The forced ventilation was a little bit better than other trains like train 5 but otherwise it's still fairly stuffy.
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Post by superteacher on Aug 3, 2010 18:22:55 GMT
On Monday 2nd, there were 6 2009 stock in service in the evening peak - set numbers 234, 236, 237, 244, 271 and 272. 2009 stock seems to occur fairly regularly on these runs now, but they have also been seen occasionally on 202, 205, 235 and 241.
Out of interest, does anyone know which set numbers stable between the peaks. I know that 236 does, but not sure about any others. 237 is an all day runner, as are 271 and 272.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Aug 3, 2010 18:34:22 GMT
Out of interest, does anyone know which set numbers stable between the peaks. I know that 236 does, but not sure about any others. 237 is an all day runner, as are 271 and 272. 201, 202, 203, 205, 206, 217, 223, 227, 233, 236, 241.
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Post by superteacher on Aug 3, 2010 18:59:54 GMT
Out of interest, does anyone know which set numbers stable between the peaks. I know that 236 does, but not sure about any others. 237 is an all day runner, as are 271 and 272. 201, 202, 203, 205, 206, 217, 223, 227, 233, 236, 241. Thanks for that - I lost track when they introduced the latest TTN. Wasn't there supposed to be a new timetable coming in once the 2009 stock training was completed?
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Post by londonstuff on Aug 3, 2010 20:25:10 GMT
I got on train 236 (I think) this evening. Pretty sure it was car number 12019 (edited - see post below). The forced air was the best I've ever seen on a 2009 stock and really was pumping out a fair amount of not cold, but cool-ish air. This was in the evening peak too. </result>
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Post by superteacher on Aug 3, 2010 20:28:54 GMT
I got on train 236 (I think) this evening. Pretty sure it was car number 21019. The forced air was the best I've ever seen on a 2009 stock and really was pumping out a fair amount of not cold, but cool-ish air. This was in the evening peak too. </result> Would have been 12019, they all start with 1. I have also noticed that some are better than others with regard to the air ventilation - perhaps they are looking into the problem.
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Post by superteacher on Aug 5, 2010 14:23:42 GMT
I have just emailed TFL about the ventilation and inaudible driver announcements on the 2009 stock - will post ahen, and if, I receive a reply. I have put a few technical words in the email that the average passenger wouldn't use, so hopefully I'll get more than the average passenger "fob off" reply.
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