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Post by metman on Sept 25, 2010 10:31:07 GMT
My train home last night was displaying the wrong set number! It was showing '171'. It seemed a little strange to me. Would this be a problem to the identification system?  The rear of the train was showing the correct set number which of course was '471' and therefore an ex-evening peak additional train. It was running the 2353 Baker-Watford service. As an aside does 5054 have slightly high shoes as it was kicking on and off all the way to Harrow ;D ;D |
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Post by citysig on Sept 25, 2010 16:06:09 GMT
More than likely didn't have a "4" as I certainly didn't renumber it. However it was a different train than was running earlier as the previous one had defective doors. Sounds like we substituted defective doors for high shoes. It's been a tough week for your old friends this week ;D
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Post by 21146 on Sept 25, 2010 22:51:44 GMT
My train home last night was displaying the wrong set number! It was showing '171'. It seemed a little strange to me. Would this be a problem to the identification system? The rear of the train was showing the correct set number which of course was '471' and therefore an ex-evening peak additional train. It was running the 2353 Baker-Watford service. As an aside does 5054 have slightly high shoes as it was kicking on and off all the way to Harrow ;D ;D 171? Ex-East London Line! |
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Post by ruislip on Sept 25, 2010 23:56:42 GMT
My train home last night was displaying the wrong set number! It was showing '171'. It seemed a little strange to me. Would this be a problem to the identification system? The rear of the train was showing the correct set number which of course was '471' and therefore an ex-evening peak additional train. It was running the 2353 Baker-Watford service. As an aside does 5054 have slightly high shoes as it was kicking on and off all the way to Harrow ;D ;D 171? Ex-East London Line! That's what I'm thinking. Weren't there alot of 505x and 506x cars allocated to the ELL? |
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Post by metman on Sept 26, 2010 0:23:08 GMT
There were a lot of those on the ELL. The double ended non deicers were popular for obvious reasons!
I sat in 5056 on my last ever journey on the ELL so it has special memories for me. The Rat is formed from a non deicer unit too, so the deicing trailer is not surplus.
I wonder if the odd numbered trailer could be left out rather than the even numbered trailer? This year 6060 is 'chilling out' whilst its breathren look after 6036 ;D
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Post by mrfs42 on Sept 26, 2010 0:36:38 GMT
171? Ex-East London Line! Second-hand from the Northern City, old bean! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2010 8:21:06 GMT
... and Bakerloo!
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Post by tubeprune on Sept 26, 2010 9:21:33 GMT
For at least 20 years up to the mid 1960s, inner rail Circles were numbered 171-177, weren't they? Outer rails were 16x and H & Cs 18x and 19x. Paging MRFS or reganorak for confirmation, dates.....please.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2010 9:54:40 GMT
I "think" it was WTT 179 from 14/9/59. Certainly the H&Cs were numbered 141-157 from then. I will have to check - won't be an immediate answer though - have to go "digging".
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Post by mrfs42 on Sept 26, 2010 10:57:12 GMT
returns from ringing at a remote church in the Kent countryside......
*digs out landscape Met WTTs*
Earliest I can find is May '44 (103) which has OR 161-7, IR 171 - 7 no ELL 82 - 98 Hot&Cold.
However the first landscape (Nov. '42/95) has OR 65 -71, IR 72 -78 with 79 as a Depot to WPS changeover, plus ELL 107 - 111.
So; at a guess it would start when the ELL (which were 1xx) left the main body of the Met No 1 galley [1]; which would be sometime between 11/42 and 5/44. I shall have a look in my District WTTs (as they cover the gap in the Mets).
[1]possibly for the second time - I can't recall. The ELL has danced the hokey-cokey with the main Met WTTs.
*rummage*
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Post by harlesden on Sept 26, 2010 11:10:06 GMT
returns from ringing at a remote church in the Kent countryside.... You mean like this? |
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Post by mrfs42 on Sept 26, 2010 11:19:49 GMT
returns from ringing at a remote church in the Kent countryside.... You mean like this? Yes, I do. Stedman, Grandsire, Plain Bob, Kennington and April Day - if that means anything... <back to the WTTs> Right District & Piccadilly 37 (4/10/43) has Inner Rail Circles M171 - M177. So that's halved the gap. Time for a bit more digging.... Hmm. Looking at the notes it would appear that Met No1 99/3.5.43 had a recast of the Circle service to 7½ minutes but one of the greater mysteries of the Met WTT world rears it head - the missing WTTs 91 and 93; so we can't actually pin an exact date for when the ELL flew the Met nest and went back into its own WTT (again, probably); there was also a reissue of the Met WTT (101/4.10.43) on the same date as the District and Piccadilly. I can't find any record of the ELL having its own WTT until 1951! [1]  (133 - of which I do have a copy to hand) - the numbers there are 10x, matching up with WTT 103a from May 1944. Odd that. <note to self - is there really no ELL WTT from 1944 until 1951..... Were not the 'GE Goods [GEG/GWG] paths changed after the first nationalised summer??> I digress - it would appear that the 17x numbers started for Inner Rail at some point between May or October 1943. I think by comparison the ending of the numbering should be a piece of cake...  [1] well - a number all of its own - there's 103a of course. |
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Post by mrfs42 on Sept 26, 2010 20:03:56 GMT
Oh goody the change happened between October 1965 and October 1968 which is coincident with another gap in my Met. library. Time to delve into the District & Piccadilly series. In 1968 H&C were 181 - 199; OR 201 - 207; IR 211 - 217. Part of me thinks that the change was related to the introduction of PMs onto the District side of the Circle, but I know that was expressly enumerated in one of the two District WTTs issued during 1970. Time to look at the green shelf. Right then, the Met. numbers changed with the introduction of D&P WTT 92 (16/10/67) - the one with the printed cover note about booked Tower Hill reversers must do it at Mansion House [do you remember that one, gents?]. That means..... the numbers must have changed with the introduction of Met. No 1 WTT 222 (also on 16/10/67); so my answer is <drum roll and fanfare> May/October 1943 to October 1967.  I think I shall have a wee swally to celebrate that bit of sleuthing. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2010 20:15:38 GMT
Oh goody the change happened between October 1965 and October 1968 which is coincident with another gap in my Met. library. Time to delve into the District & Piccadilly series. In 1968 H&C were 181 - 199; OR 201 - 207; IR 211 - 217. Part of me thinks that the change was related to the introduction of PMS onto the District side of the Circle, but I know that was expressly enumerated in one of the two District WTTs issued during 1970. Time to look at the green shelf. God rest the numbers 8 and 9. May they still be resting in peace. ;D ;D |
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Post by mrfs42 on Sept 26, 2010 20:19:35 GMT
God rest the numbers 8 and 9. May they still be resting in peace. ;D ;D Absolutely!  |
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Post by metman on Sept 26, 2010 20:59:10 GMT
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(133 - of which I do have a copy to hand) - the numbers there are 10x, matching up with WTT 103a from May 1944. Odd that. <note to self - is there really no ELL WTT from 1944 until 1951..... Were not the 'GE Goods [GEG/GWG] paths changed after the first nationalised summer??>
I think I shall have a wee swally to celebrate that bit of sleuthing. 
