Aspect colours for terminus homes

[russe]

Home signals for terminii are I understand all red/yellow. Was there ever a time when they were red/green? (And if so, when was the change introduced?)

Russ

[DWS]

As Lul uses only 2 aspect signals, Stop signals are always Red/Green.

Were did you get the idea about home signals being red/yellow?

[russe]

dws said:

As Lul uses only 2 aspect signals, Stop signals are always Red/Green.

Ok. I'm obviously a bit confused!

Were did you get the idea about home signals being red/yellow?

Network Rail current (post-1980??) practice?

Russ

Edit: Having just re-visited an interesting old thread, Colin writes there: "With regard to NR terminal platforms on the District, the last signal will show Red untill approached, followed by single Yellow with the platform number. We also have the standard LUL two trainstops in the platforms - Moorgate style if you will. Also on these signals, other routes are available to NR lines at Wimbledon and platforms at Richmond. If we get offered one of these routes the trainstop will remain up."

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well as i only know the district really well the home signal at upminster and ealing broadway do show a green not a yellow i think its only lul's rule that when entering a dead end tunnel it has to be a yellow not a green

[Tom]

aetearlscourt said:

i think its only lul's rule that when entering a dead end tunnel it has to be a yellow not a green

It's normally red/green everywhere.

The exceptions I can think of are BB26/2 at Queen's Park, A1000 at Chesham and A1000 at Picc Circus.

And only one of these is a terminus home, and then it's on a single line!

[Deleted]

liverpool street siding pre westrace was a yellow in the both tunnels

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aetearlscourt said:

liverpool street siding pre westrace was a yellow in the both tunnels

The Video 125 DEV showed a long string of fixed yellows along the right-hand side of the rte 3 siding, ending in a single red at the buffer stop.

[mandgc]

When the Stanmore branch was opened with 3 Aspect signals, (controlled remotely from Wembley Park) by the Metropolitan Railway in 1932 a Yellow aspect with Route Indicator was shown for entry to the platform.
In 1938 the LPTB changed control to a local Signal Box and altered the signals to show their standard Green Aspect for entry to the platforms.

[Phil]

When Minehead (on WSR) was resignalled with colour lights the RSSB (or whoever) insisted that the inner home 'off' colour was yellow not green. So even if approaching an empty platform road (towards buffer stops) you still only ever get a yellow not a green. This seems to be the current NR standard. Logic is that this is a 'caution' aspect since the next light you see will be a 'stop' (on the stops).
They also insisted on it for the approach-release light coming off the Norton (Fitzwarren) road towards Bishop's Lydeard- in this case because the BL down home is out of sight round a curve. So again there is a yellow light for a clear section. In both cases these replaced semaphores which showed green when off.

[Tom]

theonekea said:

aetearlscourt said:

liverpool street siding pre westrace was a yellow in the both tunnels

The Video 125 DEV showed a long string of fixed yellows along the right-hand side of the rte 3 siding, ending in a single red at the buffer stop.

Yes, but the last signal that didn't have a fixed aspect was the shunt disc to let you in.

Oh, and the DEV had two reds one immeidately above the other at the '8' mark, and a third on the sand drag.

[Tom]

rbruce1314 said:

In both cases these replaced semaphores which showed green when off.

What!? You replaced semaphores with colur lights?

I thought only tourist attractions pretending to be preseved railways (a la Paignton) did that.

[Phil]

tom said:

rbruce1314 said:

In both cases these replaced semaphores which showed green when off.

What!? You replaced semaphores with colur lights?

Yes - precisely BECAUSE we (WSR) are a proper railway with trains arriving at times direct from Paddington, Bristol, Crewe ..........
The Minehead installation required extra signals due to the new level crossing (some years ago now) : so, as new, it had to conform. At BL, unless you know different, there is not such a thing as an approach release semaphore.

But you'll be relieved to know that all other existing signals are remaining as semaphores even when refurbishing is done. Only new installations have to follow the 'new' rules.

[abe]

theonekea said:

The Video 125 DEV showed a long string of fixed yellows along the right-hand side of the rte 3 siding, ending in a single red at the buffer stop.

IIRC these were installed in all tunnel sidings as a result of a fatal crash in the siding tunnel at Tooting Broadway, to remind drivers that they were not on the main line but in a dead-end. I think that this occurred c.1971.

[CSLR]

theonekea said:

The Video 125 DEV showed a long string of fixed yellows along the right-hand side of the rte 3 siding, ending in a single red at the buffer stop.

abe said:

IIRC these were installed in all tunnel sidings as a result of a fatal crash in the siding tunnel at Tooting Broadway, to remind drivers that they were not on the main line but in a dead-end. I think that this occurred c.1971.

Someone needs to check the TCs, but I seem to remember those yellow lights being there before that date.

[abe]

cslr said:

theonekea said:

The Video 125 DEV showed a long string of fixed yellows along the right-hand side of the rte 3 siding, ending in a single red at the buffer stop.

abe said:

IIRC these were installed in all tunnel sidings as a result of a fatal crash in the siding tunnel at Tooting Broadway, to remind drivers that they were not on the main line but in a dead-end. I think that this occurred c.1971.

Someone needs to check the TCs, but I seem to remember those yellow lights being there before that date.

You're right. I've just checked the Accident Report, and they were in place when this accident occurred (4 May 1971). They were not in place at the time of a previous, non-fatal crash in the same siding, on 6 October 1960, which makes me think that I've confused them and they were installed in the early 1960s as a result of the latter crash.
As a point of interest, the report states that they were/are powered from the traction supply (also the FRL), and cannot be switched off. The tunnel lighting (white) was also on permanently as a further reminder that this was a siding.

[CSLR]

abe said:

You're right. I've just checked the Accident Report, and they were in place when this accident occurred (4 May 1971). They were not in place at the time of a previous, non-fatal crash in the same siding, on 6 October 1960, which makes me think that I've confused them and they were installed in the early 1960s as a result of the latter crash.

Off the top of my head, I THINK that I remember these lights being installed around 1966/67, but I have not checked the details so please do not take this as a definitive answer.