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Post by james66526 on May 8, 2011 23:56:34 GMT
Hi everyone. Was driving my little yellow train out on the network the other day and was wrong routed twice on the trip. I noticed the sticks were wrong, called it in and waited for a release etc. It got me thinking, do the signalmen involved get disciplined for this even when we don't accept the stick?  |
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Post by citysig on May 9, 2011 8:56:02 GMT
It is dependant on the circumstances surrounding the event - just as it would be if the wrong signal was accepted.
If the wrong signal causes delay to the passenger service, then a delay may be booked, and the signaller questioned. Of course, it could be that the signal is not so much an "error" but could be down to other causes.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 15:14:07 GMT
Out on the national network this can be treated very seriously. It has been described as a 'technical' SPAD (Signal Passed At Danger). While the route should have been correct it is also the Drivers responsiblity to spot the error. There are some locations though that error could be solely the signallers. At Worting Junction, south of Basingstoke, the main line junction signal was proceeded by a green whichever route was set. With a 90mph line speed a Bournemouth line electric could pass the signal if set for the Salisbury line. A section of conductor rail was laid to enable an electric service to stop and, after consultation with the signalman, set back. I spoke to a Waterloo man who did just this. However he stopped and then drove forward to the signal by the flyover to speak to the signalman from the phone on the signal. This took him off of the third rail and he required a Diesel assistance to get him back!. Thankfully, this was long enough ago that such assistance was readily available. Recent resignalling has changed the set-up here.
There was also the 'Wessex Electric' driver who tried to take a 442 into Maritime container terminal......
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Post by edwardfox on May 9, 2011 17:16:14 GMT
I can't think of a situation where it would be necessary, but theoretically, could a London-bound Chiltern train from Amersham be directed into the Met platform at HOTH and be worked through to Baker Street?
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Post by Oracle on May 9, 2011 18:42:09 GMT
Surely a Chiltern DMU has been into Wembley Park depot? I seem to recall a posting in DDs in the past mentioning it.
I would have thought that Chiltern DMus would not be permitted any further than the depot...
I wonder if there are any official gauaging issues in ignorance of DMUcar lengths compared to A Stock. Width-wise, A Stock would be wider than a DMU and BR Mk1 and Mk2 coaching stock has traversed the Met to and from Baker Street.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 20:09:23 GMT
Width may not be a problem but the length may be an issue. The A stock is just over 53' long while the BR Mk1 and Mk2 coaches are 64' long and may have overhang issues at certain points.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 20:17:37 GMT
But the A stock cars are fat as...
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2011 20:55:00 GMT
Im pretty sure Ive seen a 1st gen DMU go to Chesham on one of Fred Ivey's Youtube videos
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Post by Bighat on May 9, 2011 20:59:33 GMT
Width may not be a problem but the length may be an issue. The A stock is just over 53' long while the BR Mk1 and Mk2 coaches are 64' long and may have overhang issues at certain points. yes, usually at both ends! ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by Oracle on May 9, 2011 21:03:02 GMT
Yes...'tis true. Also the ACV [AC Vehicles, Thames Ditton] railcars.
Is LT's 4-TC set cleared to run on the Met south of Wembley Park and around the Circle still? That said, would there not be concerns over underfloor equipment including engines fouling platforms/equipment?
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Post by bassmike on May 12, 2011 13:55:37 GMT
4 TC sets do not have underfloor engines. Tc means trailer control. Mk 1& 2 cars have been on the met/district/circle on railtours and Upminster open days etc:( with L44 as well). One of the tours used a 5 car Gatwick express unit (obviously without EDL or luggage van)
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Post by trc666 on May 12, 2011 16:52:54 GMT
The latter tour used battery locos top and tail didn't it?
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Post by bassmike on May 12, 2011 20:22:33 GMT
yes
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Post by bassmike on May 12, 2011 20:29:37 GMT
also ran round the kingston loop to richmond with the battery locos, crossed over and after the tour .came down through parsons green and E putney to wimbledon
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Post by norbitonflyer on May 12, 2011 21:43:27 GMT
4 TC sets do not have underfloor engines. But the original question was about dmus, which do. |
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Post by bassmike on May 12, 2011 21:54:12 GMT
track recording DMU ran over sub-surface lines inc; East london line in 1980's. cant remember actual date but have a photo of running down through Wapping somewhere but cant remember where i've lost it .
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2011 22:16:33 GMT
By pure coincidence I was watching a Jim Connor video this evening and that DMU featured in it. It was the former Class 103 Park Park 2-car set.
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Post by bassmike on May 12, 2011 22:28:31 GMT
thanks . Did it also run to hammersmith H&C?
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2011 22:32:20 GMT
thanks . Did it also run to hammersmith H&C? The video showed it on the East London Line. I remember seeing a photo of it on the District; I think it traversed the H&C as well. Xerces Fobe |
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