1938 TS to Euston

[londonse]

Any truth that 1938 TS reached Euston Mainline?


Paul

[Oracle]

I have never heard of it but of course they did reach as near as York Road Platform on the Up, and through Kings Cross Suburban on the Down en route to and from Drayton Park when hauled by battery locos.

[londonse]

May 13, 2011 13:32:33 GMT Oracle said:

I have never heard of it but of course they did reach as near as York Road Platform on the Up, and through Kings Cross Suburban on the Down en route to and from Drayton Park when hauled by battery locos.

I was told that many years ago a 1938 TS made it's way to Euston Mainline don't know what date or the purpose test run etc it also appears that a photo was published in a magazine or was reported to have been published.
Paul

[trc666]

It would have been possible, as some of the lines in to Euston were 4DC/AC in the 70s?

[bassmike]

it was,nt in the seventies but during WW2 I think . The whole N london electric system was630v 4rail same as LT . Also I did hear a rumour that one also ran to Broad st but not confirmed. No reason that they couldn't as they used the system up to watford and croxley depot. Also much earlier tube stock was used from watford to croxley green and rickmansworth church st for the shuttles.

[norbitonflyer]

They routinely got closer to Euston LNW than York Road, of course, as the Northern Line passes right underneath!

[bassmike]

but when they were at york rd they were being towed not self-powered.

[Deleted]

I have no knowledge of a 1938 going to Euston main line, but I can't think of a reason why not. After all, it was 3rd and 4th rail. This may have been a 'rumour' or something that was planned but never happened. I also heard a 'rumour' many years ago that a 1938 was 'towed' to Alexandra Palace, but have found nothing at all to back this up - even a look through the Traffic Circulars from 1939 to 1952 revealed nothing in special moves (T/Cs then also showed special moves).

Returning to the 1938 Stock, there were plans as follows:

* To loan the Mersey Railway some Oerlikon Stock in case of wartime losses. (Would it have been 'in gauge'?).
* To operate "Standard Stock" in lieu (i.e. Euston - Watford, etc.,).
* To loan the Mersey Railway 'withdrawn' Met Stock.
* To loan the Mersey Railway spare 'tube' stock. (Platform height problems).


It was the Standard Stock that was 'available', more so than the 1938 Stock, although some of the latter was stored for a while, but not much of it.

These may be the plans that were being discussed, but now, 60+ years down the line (!), who knows?

Of course, the Mersey Railway acquired 4x6-car trains of ex-H&C and Met Saloon Stock, so maybe it was all in these plans where the ideas started?

[mrfs42]

May 13, 2011 16:37:32 GMT bassmike said:

I did hear a rumour that one also ran to Broad st but not confirmed.

Wouldn't that be lovely if true - even a standard stock!

One version of a story that some may have heard is that the bobby at QP No 3 sent a tube train off towards Kilburn High Street [1] in the middle of a rush hour and it kept on going!

[1] bear with me and I'll have a glance in my 1937 SA for the area.

EDIT: there is nothing explicitly stopping it happening either to Euston or Broad Street - and I don't think that there was explicitly an instruction against it in the footnotes for the No 2s at Kilburn and South Hampstead.

[londonse]

Thanks everyone.

Paul

[Deleted]

May 14, 2011 16:40:38 GMT @reganorak said:

Of course, the Mersey Railway acquired 4x6-car trains of ex-H&C and Met Saloon Stock, so maybe it was all in these plans where the ideas started?

Did this occur or was actually GF Milnes stock of 1903 vintage that was built for the Mersey system and looked very similar to the H&C stock?

Xerces Fobe

[mrfs42]

No it was H&C stock - I have seen a photo.

[roythebus]

ISTR a 38TS to Euston mail line tour in the early 1970s before the 4th rail to Euston was lifted, can't remember the date, but I'm sure there was a piccy of it in a railway mag.

Was Ricky Church St. electrified then?

BigAl and myself tried organising a couple of R stock tours in about 1971 to Portsmouth and the LMR 4 rail system, but never gor much further than making enquiries with 55!

[norbitonflyer]

Chuch Street closed to passengers in 1952 and to freight in 1967. The photos in this link, taken in 1960, show little trace of electrification

[metman]

The conductor rails were probably removed straight after closure.

The stock sent to the Mersey railway was mostly H&C stock and I think there were a couple of cars from the Met. Some of these had been converted into composite driving trailers for 2 car ELL trains. They, along with the BTH150hp motors were often loaded to the H&C so it is likely that some of them made it north.

I wonder if any standard stock made it to Croxley/Ricky? I know the Bakerloo hung onto some of its standard stock about 1948 so it is likely if any loaning of cars was done, they would have not been he brand new 1938 stock, much of which was not commissioned.

[Deleted]

May 17, 2011 21:37:19 GMT metman said:

I wonder if any standard stock made it to Croxley/Ricky? I know the Bakerloo hung onto some of its standard stock about 1948 so it is likely if any loaning of cars was done, they would have not been he brand new 1938 stock, much of which was not commissioned.

Tube stock to make it to both Croxley Green and Ricky Church Street They were however 9 cars of the original LNWR/London Electric Railway tube stock from 1931-1939 but they were owned and operated by the LMS. There is a photo of one of these trains at Watford West in on page 42 of "The Bakerloo Line " by Mike Horne

There are no reports of any passenger workings of standard or 1938 stock to Croxley Green or Ricky Church St. I have been told that 1938 stock has run as far as Watford West on a least one occasion however there is no evidence that this has actually ever occurred.

Xerces Fobe