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Post by citysig on Jun 24, 2011 19:26:25 GMT
With effect from Monday 19th September, we have begun to operate between 11 and 13 trains each day.
We are now entering an area where workings will be variable on most days (although there will be an underlying plan). This is to suit stabling / train operator availability / test and training targets and maintenance programs for the stock itself.
Therefore it is more or less impossible for me to keep this thread up to date with accurate information. Should we enter a more "stable" area of workings, then I may re-instate detailed information. However, such is the nature of this project, that from here on in there will be more and more S-stock workings. Anyone wishing to travel on one - even today - does not have to wait a great deal of time for one to turn up in one direction or other, especially if you wait somewhere like Baker Street or Harrow.
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Post by jmm on Jun 24, 2011 19:45:40 GMT
So a S stock will be stabled at Uxbridge sidings from Sunday night, right?
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Post by Admin Team on Jun 25, 2011 10:42:39 GMT
Admin Comment:
The primary purpose of this thread is to allow persons such as MetControl to keep us all updated on S stock specific workings; we would therefore politely request that members refrain from posting in this thread so that the relevant information doesn't become lost in a discussion.
The usual disclaimer also applies: any information posted here is provided in good faith but is not guaranteed. These S stock workings may be substituted for an A stock or may not run at all.
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Post by citysig on Oct 13, 2011 21:32:03 GMT
Just to add a (probably near final) post to this thread. From Monday, just about each and every train "can" be formed of S-stock. Of course, we're nowhere near forming all trains of S-stock - not quite. But what we now have is a situation whereby the large majority of drivers (well, virtually all) can drive the stock anywhere, the trains can be stabled anywhere, and we have enough trains to run almost half the timetable. Therefore, from Monday, the depot will be "throwing" out as many S-stocks as they can onto any service whatsoever, and we will be basically running the line with both A and S stock (rather than juggling the S-stock onto specific workings that visit X and are staffed by Y and stable at Z.) This, in my opinion, is the point at which the stock has ceased being the "showpiece" and is now part of the family (though obviously I know there are some here not that ready to sit around the dinner table with them  ;D ) |
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Post by metman on Oct 13, 2011 22:14:43 GMT
No I had the prospective inlaws over last night for dinner, there's certianly no room for S stock!
The unfinished 5234 had move from the table onto the shelf! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2011 20:17:10 GMT
the s stocks have been dropping out of service left right and centre this past two weeks. lets hope various issues are sorted quickly.
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Post by citysig on Oct 23, 2011 18:11:35 GMT
Some of the issues have a bit of a theme running through them. Others are one-off problems and some are minor defects which keep on occuring to the same units.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2011 21:05:47 GMT
Just to add a (probably near final) post to this thread. the trains can be stabled anywhere I think you may find that they cannot be stabled at Wembley, and the night Controller has to ensure that none are on Wembley paths ;D ;D |
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Post by mrfs42 on Nov 15, 2011 21:21:26 GMT
I think you may find that they cannot be stabled at Wembley, and the night Controller has to ensure that none are on Wembley paths ;D ;D Oh dear - after all that time spent bringing WPS back into service..... |
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Post by superteacher on Nov 15, 2011 21:31:31 GMT
I think you may find that they cannot be stabled at Wembley, and the night Controller has to ensure that none are on Wembley paths ;D ;D Oh dear - after all that time spent bringing WPS back into service..... And money . . .  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2011 22:09:02 GMT
I think you may find that they cannot be stabled at Wembley, and the night Controller has to ensure that none are on Wembley paths ;D ;D Oh dear - after all that time spent bringing WPS back into service..... I think you'll find an S7 will fit snuggly into WPS! |
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Post by mrfs42 on Nov 15, 2011 22:11:34 GMT
Oh dear - after all that time spent bringing WPS back into service..... I think you'll find an S7 will fit snuggly into WPS! Oops, I forgot the  at the end... |
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Post by citysig on Nov 15, 2011 22:31:16 GMT
Just to add a (probably near final) post to this thread. the trains can be stabled anywhere I think you may find that they cannot be stabled at Wembley, and the night Controller has to ensure that none are on Wembley paths ;D ;D Now, how do I use these moderator tools to moderate a clever-clogs (putting it politely) colleague. Or maybe I'll keep my rest day where it is My colleague is quite correct, they can be stabled almost anywhere. All fairly academic at the minute, given we are rarely seeing anywhere near the full number of trains which are in London. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2011 8:38:34 GMT
Oh dear - after all that time spent bringing WPS back into service..... I think you'll find an S7 will fit snuggly into WPS! They may well do, but I think you'll find we run S8's on the Met ;D |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2011 10:40:03 GMT
I think you'll find an S7 will fit snuggly into WPS! They may well do, but I think you'll find we run S8's on the Met ;D As I said, S7 will fit snuggly into WPS regardless of what you run on the Met! There are other lines on the combine!  |
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Post by Ben on Nov 16, 2011 12:36:58 GMT
Don't see why it'd be a problem to have S7s stable there, allowing for route training! Seems such a waste of money that the sidings will be ripped up.
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Post by citysig on Nov 17, 2011 0:16:08 GMT
Right back when the "sheds" were being made into mere "sidings" there was always talk that the new sidings would not be long enough for the proposed new stock. Then they went and fitted new train arrestors (suitable for S-stock) but realised this left the sidings too short for S8s.
Since then, no firm confirmation of what is to happen has been communicated. S7s will be regulars between Baker Street and Wembley/Neasden depot, but I'm not sure Wembley Sidings is being reserved for that. As S8s increase, Wembley will be required as part of the stabling arrangements included in the timetable.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2011 0:26:29 GMT
Would it not be possible to extend the sidings a tad to fit the 8's?
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Post by citysig on Nov 17, 2011 0:41:59 GMT
At this moment in time, no. It cost millions to simply rip down the walls of the sheds, re-align the sidings and install the arrestors. Unless a quick fix can be done (such as someone can go and adjust the arrestors with a spanner and move them back a few feet) then Wembley Sidings will become a white elephant.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2011 20:34:40 GMT
Is the distance really somthing like a few feet? If so surely it'd be more cost effective in the long run to extend the sidings or like you said move the arrestors, rather than lose capacity?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2011 20:44:11 GMT
S7s will be regulars between Baker Street and Wembley/Neasden depot, but I'm not sure Wembley Sidings is being reserved for that. It's being seriously considered |
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Post by citysig on Nov 18, 2011 13:43:14 GMT
They can consider it all they want, but maybe they should also consider the amount of space we've got in Neasden depot to house the S8s first ;D
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2011 18:45:19 GMT
Presumably the sidings were built to enable increased services during Wembley stadium events. Since these will still be required when the A stock is phased out, it is inevitable that the sidings will be extended at that time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2011 19:07:08 GMT
Presumably the sidings were built to enable increased services during Wembley stadium events. Since these will still be required when the A stock is phased out, it is inevitable that the sidings will be extended at that time. Nothing is inevitable in these times, certainly not in respect to an issue that will cost many £££££'s ! There are no plans to extend these sidings They are very useful, but certainly NOT essential, to the return traffic train service post Wembley event |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2011 19:08:08 GMT
They can consider it all they want, but maybe they should also consider the amount of space we've got in Neasden depot to house the S8s first ;D Why plan for today when you can plan for tomorrow |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2011 12:46:02 GMT
Presumably the sidings were built to enable increased services during Wembley stadium events. Since these will still be required when the A stock is phased out, it is inevitable that the sidings will be extended at that time. Nothing is inevitable in these times, certainly not in respect to an issue that will cost many £££££'s ! There are no plans to extend these sidings They are very useful, but certainly NOT essential, to the return traffic train service post Wembley event Assuming that sufficient land is available then the cost must be trivial compared to the cost of building the sidings in the first place. If they are not extended it will be assumed that they have been built unnecessarily and I am sure that the LU auditors will then start to ask searching questions. |
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Post by mcmaddog on Nov 20, 2011 12:59:23 GMT
Why not make a swap with the Jubilee trains that stable in Neasden?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2011 13:25:28 GMT
Why not make a swap with the Jubilee trains that stable in Neasden? A few reasons from the top of my head . . . i) Jubilee trains swap code from manual to TBTC inside the confines of Neasden Depot. Not sure what implication putting Jub trains in here would mean to the current singnalling/operational set up? ii) Conflicting moves across the Met for Jub trains, Jubs would have to run on the Met tracks to Neasden - not good iii) Neasden Depot capacity is pretty much at breaking point in the evening stabling period. To put Jub trains in Wem Pk Sdgs would require shunting back through the Reception Roads (so would confine stablers to post peak) and also potentially increase duty lengths iv) Training of Jubilee T/Ops for these sidings would be required v) Tube Lines would potentially need to increase fleet staff numbers to prep said trains |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2011 13:30:51 GMT
Nothing is inevitable in these times, certainly not in respect to an issue that will cost many £££££'s ! There are no plans to extend these sidings They are very useful, but certainly NOT essential, to the return traffic train service post Wembley event Assuming that sufficient land is available then the cost must be trivial compared to the cost of building the sidings in the first place. If they are not extended it will be assumed that they have been built unnecessarily and I am sure that the LU auditors will then start to ask searching questions. I think 'sufficient land' is the crux of the matter I 'think' - never having visited the site, that they can't be extended to due a road or walkway at the end of the sidings As for audits - yes, you could be right, however they were put in quite a few years back (sure someone will say when), probably before S8 was dreamt up (altho' could/would have been bore in mind?), and again to the full length that was/is available As I've stated, you could well see S7 in here in the future, so not a waste (yet!) |
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Post by t697 on Nov 20, 2011 21:03:58 GMT
I understand there's a way of fitting S8 in WPK sidings by removing alternate roads and their sets of points. That would leave 3 roads long enough to use, which is probably still pretty useful for 3 extra SB trains after a Wembley event.
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