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Post by 21146 on Dec 21, 2011 17:08:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2011 19:36:10 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2011 20:15:06 GMT
I suspect that they had to come down in order to extend the Thameslink platforms.
I think the new building looks just fine and will appropriate for the extended Thameslink trains and new Crossrail line.
I don't think that the old building, while mirroring the old station facade, was exceptional enough to justify incorporating it into the design.
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Post by Ben on Dec 21, 2011 20:30:18 GMT
Maybe not, but the physical effort put into building the previous building is something that will never be matched for any replacement it gets.
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Post by rsdworker on Dec 21, 2011 22:38:20 GMT
looks nice - i noticed lift shafts there but covered by hoardings but its needs photoed
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2011 23:32:36 GMT
Spacious and light. I like it! It's a shame they had to suspend all those signs from the ceiling with such thick poles. Something less visible would be nice.
The question, though, is whether this station will ever be big enough. Being the station where Thameslink and Crossrail meet this will probably become the closest thing to a Central Station that London will ever have.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2011 23:43:40 GMT
@maurits
I think this is just 1 of 2 Crossrail entrances for Farringdon. The other is just north of Smithfield Market near Barbican Station.
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Post by v52gc on Dec 22, 2011 10:29:50 GMT
Wow it looks big!
First thing that popped in head was "Shepherds Bush".
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2011 13:16:15 GMT
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Post by rsdworker on Dec 22, 2011 17:52:16 GMT
wow that's a different from now - i hope google updates them to show a difference |
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Post by carltona on Dec 23, 2011 8:18:08 GMT
I was at Farringdon yesterday and had a look round, good progress. I notice the Thameslink southbound has a signal halfway along the platform, this means four car trains whizz past unsuspecting passengers and they have to run after the train. Also I was at Blackfriars and used the new south bank exit, excellent, this makes a big difference.
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Post by d7666 on Dec 24, 2011 21:08:45 GMT
2 different things here.
The southbound train stop sign is advanced further south from its previous location. The previous S stop was for 4 and 8 cars, with the platform extension being mainly at the south/east end of the platforms the new S stop now for 4 or 8 or 12 is correspondingly re-located. A 4car southbound now draws right to the south end of the platform almost completely away from its previous stop location. Farringdon S stop relocation came in with the new timetable; the northbound is also about 1.5-2 cars further north/west than it used to be.
(( Digressing, at the same time City Thameslink stops were altered - well at least on the northbound, the 4 and 8 car stops are now about 2 cars further north than they used to be, and now at the same location, previously the back end of a 4car and back end of an 8car were both at the extreme south end of the platform, now the front of a 4car and front of an 8car are at the same location i.e. a 4car now stops approx. mid-platform, rather than at the south end. ))
Thameslink core resignalling requires many additional signals some of which are closely spaced, a lot of which are separated by less than a trains length. Both platforms at Farringdon - not just the southbound - have these, they came into use some time early November based on my observations. Both City Thameslink and SPILL gained them too around the same time. Some are full size jobs, other are miniature, but all are proper 4-aspect signals. Observe and you will see located on each signal head three LED lamp arrays i.e. one more than the two LED arrays you need for 4-aspect G YY Y R - I doubt these are commissioned yet but are POSAs for degraded mode operation.
Has anyone else noticed that if you go the the extreme south end of Farringdon platforms you can see right into the north end of St. Pauls sidings.
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Post by carltona on Dec 25, 2011 20:28:40 GMT
Ok, I assume that the four car S stop was moved to allow a second train onto the platform behind and stop at the new signal. What if there is an eight car train behind? Would this be allowed to stop and then wait for the signal to clear and then draw forward, this would be very confusing for passengers. Or am I being a bit thick here?
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Post by edwin on Dec 27, 2011 2:11:56 GMT
The ticket hall is nice but the platforms look unfinished, why is half the ceiling clad and the other half bare concrete? It looks awful...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2011 8:34:25 GMT
There were much more extensive sidings below street level around Farringdon. I sometimes ponder that, if they'd kept a 4-track alignment through City Thameslink when they demolished Holborn Viaduct, then the services that will now terminate at Blackfriars could have run through to Farringdon using these Snow Hill sidings. However, the new Crossrail station is now being built here, and the Snow Hill sidings may fall into disuse as they won't take the Thameslink 12-coach trains. There's an interesting thread here at Basilica Fields, and the map below shows the extensive sidings of the GN goods depot and under Snow Hill.  |
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Post by carltona on Dec 31, 2011 17:44:23 GMT
See the latest RAIL magazine for good photo taken over the station, page 15 I think it is.
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Post by fleetline on Jan 1, 2012 9:52:57 GMT
2 different things here. The southbound train stop sign is advanced further south from its previous location. The previous S stop was for 4 and 8 cars, with the platform extension being mainly at the south/east end of the platforms the new S stop now for 4 or 8 or 12 is correspondingly re-located. A 4car southbound now draws right to the south end of the platform almost completely away from its previous stop location. Farringdon S stop relocation came in with the new timetable; the northbound is also about 1.5-2 cars further north/west than it used to be. (( Digressing, at the same time City Thameslink stops were altered - well at least on the northbound, the 4 and 8 car stops are now about 2 cars further north than they used to be, and now at the same location, previously the back end of a 4car and back end of an 8car were both at the extreme south end of the platform, now the front of a 4car and front of an 8car are at the same location i.e. a 4car now stops approx. mid-platform, rather than at the south end. )) Thameslink core resignalling requires many additional signals some of which are closely spaced, a lot of which are separated by less than a trains length. Both platforms at Farringdon - not just the southbound - have these, they came into use some time early November based on my observations. Both City Thameslink and SPILL gained them too around the same time. Some are full size jobs, other are miniature, but all are proper 4-aspect signals. Observe and you will see located on each signal head three LED lamp arrays i.e. one more than the two LED arrays you need for 4-aspect G YY Y R - I doubt these are commissioned yet but are POSAs for degraded mode operation. Has anyone else noticed that if you go the the extreme south end of Farringdon platforms you can see right into the north end of St. Pauls sidings. -- Nick Not quite true, SPILL (St Pancras) gained its additional signalling as part of phase one of the Core resign allying project back in Sept. phase 2 extended this to City in November with the final section coming into use in Easter 2012 when Blackfriars new bay platforms are commissioned. The new signalling allows for a train every 100m (it's about 80m for an 8 car), so they can get a lot closer, especially when they start running 8 cars (160m) or 12 car (240m) trains with the new stock driving itself. As for City northbound stopping position, that changed with the second phase of the new signalling, not the KO1 (Key Output 1, basically meaning 12 cars could run in service on Thameslink for the first time) timetable. Part of the reason for this change is the crossover in the station itself is not disconnected and all trains leaving Smithfield sidings now run wrong road through City and use the crossover south of the station to right themselfs. Farringdon's platform extensions did not start until the 12th December, Network Rail officially signed them off over the weekend of 10/11th December. in fact the first weekday 12 car on the 7th December was banned for using the full length of the platforms and could only open the 8 carriages at the north end of the station. As for northbound, the platforms were extended at the north as well as the south, hence the movement of northbound trains. Given a few weeks all commuters will have worked out their new standing positions. Smithfield sidings is now very close as you pointed out, Farringdon was always the walking route to and from the sidings until they started work on the extended platforms and drives have to exits and enter using a car park. As for Farringdon, it's a massive station, but then it needs to be. Once the full Thameslink programme is completed and Crossrail is up and running, there is going to be 140 trains per hour in the peak at Farringdon. This is a massive amount with a huge increase in services on the Tube as well as Thameslink and then add what Crossrail bring to the table. There was no way the old building could have been kept and coped with the huge number. For once this is an example of us planned for tomorrow not just what we can do today. Don't forget that Farringdon was delayed by TfL after they requested that the booking hall be made bigger once Crossrail was approved, so it could cope better. Ok, I assume that the four car S stop was moved to allow a second train onto the platform behind and stop at the new signal. What if there is an eight car train behind? Would this be allowed to stop and then wait for the signal to clear and then draw forward, this would be very confusing for passengers. Or am I being a bit thick here? No, there is no set up to allow two passenger trains into the platform at one time. Only Bedford and Luton are allowed to do this and even then it's cause trains couple and uncouple there. If a train was in the p,at form, even a four car, the next train would be held outside in normal conditions. Even if it was a four car. Incases of emergency then they can draw forward. The ticket hall is nice but the platforms look unfinished, why is half the ceiling clad and the other half bare concrete? It looks awful... Because the station isnt finished. Won't be for many years. The Thameslink part of the station is currently 4 months behind, due in part to redesigning after work started as I said above. The hoarding on the main concourse will be there until 2018 when Crossrail opens. Until then it will have an air of unfinishedness. |
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Post by carltona on Jan 1, 2012 11:35:58 GMT
Thanks for the good info. As you say pax will soon get used to the new stop positions.
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Post by fleetline on Jan 1, 2012 12:33:40 GMT
Thanks for the good info. As you say pax will soon get used to the new stop positions. Very true. After all the disruption we've had over the last few years, it's good to see these stations finally starting to open the new areas. Roll on the new round of improvements! |
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Post by d7666 on Jan 2, 2012 19:41:55 GMT
Thanks for the detailed explanations. My notes were based on both observations, on NR publications, and on the LU Tech.Soc and IRSE ATO papers by Paul Bates, but none of those actually gave the dates of each stage. Digressing **, do you have any info on Thameslink traction power supply upgrade ? There is a lot of AC work I see going with changes nearly every day at the moment, and AIUI there needs (or needed) to be a DC upgrade as well as the NR reinforcement carried out in the early 2000s for 377s etc introduction did not allow for TL expansion for the simple reason that this expansion was not defined at the time and they could not delay any further. It might have been done subsequently though. ** hope this is OK with moderators -- Nick |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2012 13:57:04 GMT
Has anyone used the remodelled Cowcross Street entrance yet?
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