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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2011 17:05:06 GMT
Where are the west to east reversing points, from Barons Court towards Cockfosters?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2011 17:07:37 GMT
Where are the west to east reversing points, from Barons Court towards Cockfosters? Hyde Park Corner is one of them
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Post by alfie on Dec 23, 2011 17:13:50 GMT
Hyde Park Corner, as said above. I suppose Green Park could be used to, with a siding just west of Down Streets platforms. If you really wanted to, you could reverse west to east at Oakwood, Arnos Grove, or King's Cross St. Pancras.
Or, if you wanna get your head kicked in, Wood Green.
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Post by uzairjubilee on Dec 23, 2011 20:33:18 GMT
Hyde Park Corner - crossover Green Park - Down Street siding Kings Cross - crossover south/west of the station Arnos Grove - crossovers Oakwood - crossover and depot
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Post by v52gc on Dec 24, 2011 6:43:28 GMT
That's still the case RT, no West-East at Wood Green nor from running line to running line at Oakwood. Down Street is used to reverse timetabled Green Park reversers (only one in the late evening I think) so during the day is used as you say. So just to clarify the West-East reversing points Barons Court to Cockfosters are: -Barons Court (Siding) -Hyde Park Corner (Xover) -Green Park (Siding) -King's X (Xover) -Arnos Grove (Middle Platform or Sidings)
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Post by superteacher on Dec 24, 2011 18:52:52 GMT
There used to be a crossover at Covent Garden too.
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Post by trc666 on Dec 26, 2011 13:23:04 GMT
When was that removed?
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Post by tubeprune on Dec 26, 2011 14:40:22 GMT
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Post by programmes1 on Dec 26, 2011 15:55:18 GMT
nor from running line to running line at Oakwood. Has taken out the single crossover (8w) and wrong road starter PK21?
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Post by programmes1 on Dec 27, 2011 7:58:03 GMT
Have taken out the single crossover (8w) and wrong road starter PK21? That's an East to West reverse move, the OP asked about W-E reversing. Yes my friend SA misled me my mistake.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2011 17:43:27 GMT
Not strictly west to east reversing but you can enter
Cockfosters depot from Oakwood westbound
platform . Similarly, you can enter Wood Green
siding from Wood Green westbound platform .
Both moves are very rare.
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Post by 21146 on Dec 28, 2011 0:00:14 GMT
Not strictly west to east reversing but you can enter Cockfosters depot from Oakwood westbound platform . Similarly, you can enter Wood Green siding from Wood Green westbound platform . Both moves are very rare. But not under fixed signalled moves. In engineering hours it is a move that could be made with a lineman present to blow the points on the ground, clipping and scotching etc as per procedure in a possession. I can't see anyone wanting to do that in traffic hours even in an emergency unless the situation was extreme in some way. I checked the diagram today and surely you can go from Wood Green WB to the siding by a shunt signal? I think what you can't do is go from the siding to the EB, rather only return to whence you came? (The WB)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2011 1:51:48 GMT
You can go from the WB platform at Wood Green to the siding via a shunt signal.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2011 12:22:50 GMT
Both moves are possible via a shunt signal .
I know because I've done them both. In my
26 years on the Picc I think I've done all the
obscure shunt moves .Apart from the westbound
at Boston Manor into the Boston end of the depot.
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Post by programmes1 on Dec 29, 2011 10:29:28 GMT
Both moves are possible via a shunt signal . I know because I've done them both. In my 26 years on the Picc I think I've done all the obscure shunt moves .Apart from the westbound at Boston Manor into the Boston end of the depot. Assuming that you are addressing the OP qusetion. As a former Picc signal lineman I have to ask which shunt signals and when? There is no eastbound shunt signal on the westbound at Oakwood and at Wood Green siding signal PG10 routes to the westbound only. AFAIK this has been the situation for your entire career because the stage 1 and stage 2 east end resignalling had been completed before your career began, however, I am not infallible. Of course you may be talking about something other than W-E reversing moves. At Oakwood there is a shunt signal PK5 (2 routes) from the WB to Depot, the shunt signal at Wood Green siding PG10 only has a route to the WB.
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Post by 1018509 on Dec 29, 2011 15:11:19 GMT
...<snip> I suspect the OP is very confused by now! Not just the OP
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Post by SE13 on Dec 29, 2011 15:25:58 GMT
I'm still following, but to be honest, it's a 2 second job to split the thread if required.... But I suspect it might make it slightly more confuzzling to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2011 18:15:08 GMT
I suspect the OP is very confused by now! Since #13, yes.
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Post by programmes1 on Dec 30, 2011 9:59:13 GMT
Since #13, yes. Ok W-E reversing moves from Baron's Court to Cockfosters in a nutshell. [KEY: WB=westbound, EB=eastbound, WD35(2)=running signal route 2, 17W=turnout or crossover] Baron's Ct. WB WD35(2) & 25W into siding, WD13A & 24W to EB Hyde Pk. Cnr. WB PB20 & 17W to EB Down St. WB PB4 shunt & 6W into siding, PB9 shunt & 7W to EB King's Cross WB L6 shunt & 5W to EB Wood Green No W-E reversing move via siding Arnos Grove WB PJ34(2) into 22 Road, PJ6 EB starter (other moves available via sidings from WB 21 Road to 22 or 23 Roads and EB) Oakwood No direct W-E reversing move via 8W, (WB PK5 shunt & 10W to depot & sidings, PK20 shunt & 11W or PK19 shunt to EB). I guess this should perhaps have been reply #1 really! Brian, I think that's it apart from Hyde Park Corner EB PB18 shunt & 17w to WB also that you can shunt back into the Down St siding from the EB PB 5 & 7w but you can not go into the WB like the situation at Wood Green but reverse way round. The comment that the original OP being confused if he was into signalling or worked on the railways he would surly have been able to grasp, also at least we have kept to the Picc line and no one has mentioned some other move on another line well not yet.
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Post by v52gc on Dec 30, 2011 15:24:30 GMT
Since #13, yes. Ok W-E reversing moves from Baron's Court to Cockfosters in a nutshell. [KEY: WB=westbound, EB=eastbound, WD35(2)=running signal route 2, 17W=turnout or crossover] Baron's Ct. WB WD35(2) & 25W into siding, WD13A & 24W to EB Hyde Pk. Cnr. WB PB20 & 17W to EB Down St. WB PB4 shunt & 6W into siding, PB9 shunt & 7W to EB King's Cross WB L6 shunt & 5W to EB Wood Green No W-E reversing move via siding Arnos Grove WB PJ34(2) into 22 Road, PJ6 EB starter (other moves available via sidings from WB 21 Road to 22 or 23 Roads and EB) Oakwood No direct W-E reversing move via 8W, (WB PK5 shunt & 10W to depot & sidings, PK20 shunt & 11W or PK19 shunt to EB). I guess this should perhaps have been reply #1 really! I don't think you can go from Cockfosters Depot PK20 or 19 to the EB at Oakwood, only the WB or the shunting neck.
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Post by programmes1 on Dec 30, 2011 16:04:58 GMT
Brian, I think that's it apart from Hyde Park Corner EB PB18 shunt & 17w to WB also that you can shunt back into the Down St siding from the EB PB 5 & 7w but you can not go into the WB like the situation at Wood Green but reverse way round. The comment that the original OP being confused if he was into signalling or worked on the railways he would surly have been able to grasp, also at least we have kept to the Picc line and no one has mentioned some other move on another line well not yet. Erm er what can I say without offending you - I have no wish to do that but I was putting in a nutshell for the OP just the W-E reverse moves as requested to avoid all possible ambiguity which has crept into the thread elsewhere! You have added in HPC Eastbound moves but I hope the OP has got it now and is no longer confused. Brian, You can say what you want as long as it's what the rules say.
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Post by programmes1 on Dec 30, 2011 16:05:55 GMT
Ok W-E reversing moves from Baron's Court to Cockfosters in a nutshell. [KEY: WB=westbound, EB=eastbound, WD35(2)=running signal route 2, 17W=turnout or crossover] Baron's Ct. WB WD35(2) & 25W into siding, WD13A & 24W to EB Hyde Pk. Cnr. WB PB20 & 17W to EB Down St. WB PB4 shunt & 6W into siding, PB9 shunt & 7W to EB King's Cross WB L6 shunt & 5W to EB Wood Green No W-E reversing move via siding Arnos Grove WB PJ34(2) into 22 Road, PJ6 EB starter (other moves available via sidings from WB 21 Road to 22 or 23 Roads and EB) Oakwood No direct W-E reversing move via 8W, (WB PK5 shunt & 10W to depot & sidings, PK20 shunt & 11W or PK19 shunt to EB). I guess this should perhaps have been reply #1 really! I don't think you can go from Cockfosters Depot PK20 or 19 to the EB at Oakwood, only the WB or the shunting neck. I'm not saying a word.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2012 9:32:46 GMT
At Wood Green you can go in from both sides but only out to the west. Mirrored at Down Street, in from both sides only out to the east.
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