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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2012 13:48:46 GMT
hey all,
was at Tower Hill the other day going westbound, and a District Line train to Barking came in on the opposite, eastbound platforms - except, it was very clearly a C-Stock train! the announcement clearly said it was a District to Barking, it wasn't some DMI mistakenly signing a Circle Line train. So ... how often does this happen, and why? is that timetabled to happen, or was it one off?
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Post by charleyfarley on May 10, 2012 14:15:35 GMT
Total guess. A Wimbleware train being sent east to stable or alternatively being sent to Barking to return to Hammersmith depot as a Hammermith & City Line service
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Post by allan60 on May 10, 2012 14:50:45 GMT
Well, a few weeks ago I was on a D stock at Earls court going to westminister and upon arrival a C stock departed platform 3 heading to Putney Bridge. A sight not seen every day. Later arriving at Slone Square a C stock arrived with the destination blind saying 'Wimbledon'. Does anybody know why this Service was operated by a C stock instead of a D stock. Could it be the lack of available D stock?  ? |
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Post by metman on May 10, 2012 14:56:49 GMT
I may experience this does occur for a number of reasons
1) The train was moving from a Circle Line to a Hammersmith and City line train or similar.
2) It was needed at a depot for an exam
3) Disruption created a gap in the service filled by this train
4) It is part of the early morning/late evening service
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Post by paulsw2 on May 10, 2012 15:24:11 GMT
Very often if there is a problem between High Street Kensington and Edgware Road C stocks get diverted to Mansion House because this puts the train out of timetabled position it gets short tripped to Putney Bridge so it can reverse on time,
Sometimes it will be odd numbered trains 071 073 etc and sometimes evens.
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Post by metman on May 10, 2012 15:36:06 GMT
Yes true which is why I really like Mansion House as a short trip reversing point. Like Moorgate, you can actually keep a train in the centre road without getting in the way.
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Post by Deep Level on May 10, 2012 15:46:43 GMT
Total guess. A Wimbleware train being sent east to stable or alternatively being sent to Barking to return to Hammersmith depot as a Hammermith & City Line service Or to Barking Depot? |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2012 16:00:31 GMT
My money is on it being a Circle or Hammersmith line train running to Barking for a reason. Though to customers it's a destruct line!
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Post by norbitonflyer on May 10, 2012 21:43:09 GMT
I understand going round and round all day causes uneven wear on the wheels, so there are a few C stock workings between Whitechapel and the south side of the circle in order to turn the units end for end - effecticvely using the layout at Algate as a reversing triangle (there may be some scheduled to use the Kensington triangle in the same way)
I have had a C stock at South kensington going to Whitechapel
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Post by castlebar on May 11, 2012 6:56:43 GMT
I also thought it was a "wheel wear" turn, but as that wasn't one of the options listed, l thought l must be wrong.
Proving again the illogicality and inflexibility of making any stock "handed". You never know...., 20 years into the future. For example, we now have a Heathrow loop. Just suppose a whole fleet of handed new stock had been put on the Picc 10 years earlier........
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2012 13:15:04 GMT
C Stocks have occasionally been used for Richmond services too. I used to work in an office overlooking the junction north of Gunnersbury, and used to see a C stock waiting at a signal every couple of months.
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Post by paulsw2 on May 11, 2012 14:24:53 GMT
C stock can appear anywhere on the line however in 99% of these cases it is because the line is suffering from severe operating problems or part suspension.
The trains are normally diverted Edgware Road - Wimbledon services if the Wimbo branch is suspended they will send the C's to either Ealing or Richmond so to keep the Earl's Court - Edgware Road section of the line with trains.
During the Bayswater Blockade in 2011 a C stock train was booked to stable in Ealing Common overnight.
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Post by Colin on May 11, 2012 15:18:58 GMT
I understand going round and round all day causes uneven wear on the wheels, so there are a few C stock workings between Whitechapel and the south side of the circle in order to turn the units end for end The Circle line no longer runs round and round in Circles - bar the odd engineering work weekend, it stopped doing that in December 2009!! AIUI trains alternate between the "Circle" and H&C every time they reach Hammersmith. And as for the timetabled Whitechapel turn around move, well that hasn't run for even longer!! During the Bayswater Blockade in 2011 a C stock train was booked to stable in Ealing Common overnight. C stocks were also maintained at Ealing Common post 7/7 - Hammersmith couldn't be accessed due to the damage at Edgware Road. Getting back to the subject in hand though, the train you saw geofftech was undoubtedly a diverted one. It may have been a "Wimbleware", or it may have been a H&C/Circle, but it was being sent to Barking and it saves a whole of confusion if you just say it's a District line train. Mind you, I say that but you'd need to at least be a regular to marry up the in car line diagrams! |
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 11, 2012 16:48:16 GMT
AIUI trains alternate between the "Circle" and H&C every time they reach Hammersmith. Unfortunately that was changed from December 2011, the Lines are separated regards rolling stock working, so that S Stock can be introduced onto H&C services first. |
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Post by Chris M on May 11, 2012 20:35:03 GMT
How would alternating at Hammersmith affect the wheel wear anyway?
The train doesn't get turned at all, the same side is on the inner side of the circle every trip surely?
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Post by 1018509 on May 11, 2012 20:47:32 GMT
Just suppose a whole fleet of handed new stock had been put on the Picc 10 years earlier........ Pre 73 stock the Picc 38, 56,59 & 62 stocks were (are) handed. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2012 22:14:39 GMT
hey all, was at Tower Hill the other day going westbound, and a District Line train to Barking came in on the opposite, eastbound platforms - except, it was very clearly a C-Stock train! the announcement clearly said it was a District to Barking, it wasn't some DMI mistakenly signing a Circle Line train. So ... how often does this happen, and why? is that timetabled to happen, or was it one off? If by "the other day" it was Bank Holiday Monday 7th May (London Marathon Day) (three days before your post), then I was running an additional passenger service with a C stock primarily for driver training purposes and secondarily for additional London Marathon capacity purposes, this ran Barking - Richmond - High Street - Triangle - High Street - Richmond - Barking. This would have been at Tower Hill eastbound during the late afternoon. If it was late in the evening, it's likely to have been an inner Rail Circle to Barking Sidings "depot" working, these are described as a District from Gloucester Road. (On the present timetable these are limited to 3 trains on Sunday evenings and are all at Tower Hill post 2330 - However others may work during special Engineering Timetables) If it was early evening it may well be there was no driver for a late night Barking stabling train, so it has to be "put away" early. Final possibility is there was some disruption on the north side of the Circle in which case they tend to be sent "out of the way" to Barking until the line is clear again. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2012 20:06:30 GMT
Thanks all for your replies! if i'd of been more aware, i'd have made a note of the number and checked the WTT to see if it was scheduled or not. it was at about 6pm on a Saturday.
just been on a C-Stock into Olympia this evening, and you don't often see that happen! track fault at Earl's Court mean that Wimbleware services were running between Edgware Road to Olympia only, although City 'destruct' trains were still running down to Wimblaydon ...
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2012 20:44:20 GMT
Thanks all for your replies! if i'd of been more aware, i'd have made a note of the number and checked the WTT to see if it was scheduled or not. it was at about 6pm on a Saturday. just been on a C-Stock into Olympia this evening, and you don't often see that happen!... Happens everyday  |
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Post by causton on May 16, 2012 1:19:38 GMT
Thanks all for your replies! if i'd of been more aware, i'd have made a note of the number and checked the WTT to see if it was scheduled or not. it was at about 6pm on a Saturday. just been on a C-Stock into Olympia this evening, and you don't often see that happen!... Happens everyday Still don't often physically see it happen, technically - unless you're the driver and work that train a lot |
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 17, 2012 17:20:24 GMT
Happens everyday Still don't often physically see it happen, technically - unless you're the driver and work that train a lot was probably referring to these: Scheduled passenger workings of C Stock to/from Olympia M-F, Sat and Sun and during the Exhibitions only M-F service. M-F: 05:50 Oly-ERd 06:32 Oly-ERd Sat: 05:53 Oly-ERd 06:33 Oly-ERd Sun: 23:15 ERd-Oly Additional M-F exhibition service: 16:25 ERd-Oly 16:49 Oly-ERd 17:06 HSt-Oly 17:23 Oly-ERd 17:25 ERd-Oly 17:50 Oly-HSt 18:08 HSt-Oly 18:23 Oly-ERd 18:25 ERd-Oly 18:55 Oly-HSt 19:12 HSt-Oly 19:23 Oly-ERd. The Exhibition service is running tomorrow, Fri 18 May. I note that on Sun 27 May a 10min service will operate to/from Olympia using C Stock, the first passenger arrival being the 07:35 ex-ERd, the last departure 23:50 to High St Kensington. |
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Post by causton on May 17, 2012 23:13:47 GMT
Interesting... a 10 minute service? Is that the most frequent the line can have? I thought the layout of the branch meant you couldn't improve much on the 15-20 minute frequency without getting problems...!
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Post by Dstock7080 on May 18, 2012 7:21:50 GMT
Interesting... a 10 minute service? Is that the most frequent the line can have? I thought the layout of the branch meant you couldn't improve much on the 15-20 minute frequency without getting problems...! In my time I've witnessed a 3 train shuttle operating from HSt providing about a 7½-10min frequency. I notice the "Ideal Home Show" will be back at Earl's Court in 2013, as it would be interesting to see Olympia cope with the 30min exhibition service from 2014! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2012 15:14:39 GMT
Hi All,
As an ex District Line Train OP, there are times when there is service disruption for one reason or another that the controller will send C stock to other Destinations other than the normal Edgware Road to Wimbledon Route. If there is a problem with getting down thru Triangle into Earls Court for example, Controller will send a Wimbledon Bound C stock round on the Circle line track to Gloucester Road and then on to reverse back to Wimbledon or Putney Bridge via Tower Hill or Mansion House Bay Roads. They also run them down to Richmond and Ealing Broadway. I,ve done all these 'Moves' many times.
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Post by Fahad on Jun 25, 2012 18:27:35 GMT
Were they ever diverted onto the East London, when this was possible?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jun 25, 2012 21:46:49 GMT
Were they ever diverted onto the East London, when this was possible? Not sure it was "possible". As H&C drivers were not trained on the East London, nor were District drivers. |
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