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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2012 11:06:09 GMT
On Tuesday I travelled on 92122 from Chancery Lane to Bank, and immediately spotted neither this car or the one adjacent was powered. Only the emergency lights were lit, and it obviously wasn't just a lighting fault as neither the motors nor the door sounders were working either (Though the DVA still was?)
It seemed unusual to run a train with only emergency lighting in service. Presumably it's just easier to run the course of the route than take the unit out of service, but I wonder what health & safety would have to say about it?
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Post by mcmaddog on Jul 21, 2012 14:26:17 GMT
This has happened to me too on the same section. After about 3 stops the car burst back into life again.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2012 14:38:09 GMT
I am willing to bet that nobody told the driver he had 2 cars with the main lights out!
I have seen passengers sit in a pitch dark car before because they know that the diver will tip the train out if he was aware of the fault. Some people eh??
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Post by plasmid on Jul 21, 2012 16:24:29 GMT
This happens all the time, if the emergency lights are on then H&S can't say much.
More often or not when the lights go so does the DVA, door chimes and motors but not always.
Lighting is normally restored automatically within a couple of stops automatically.
If anything I prefer it like that, just add a couple of desk lamps and you've got an office with Virgin Media'a Wi-Fi.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2012 18:05:53 GMT
If a unit loadsheds then "Aux set req" comes up on DTS but we've been told not to reset on the move as that can create a "Traction fault". Now we have to wait until we reach the next platform before hitting the buttons.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2012 18:31:29 GMT
I am willing to bet that nobody told the driver he had 2 cars with the main lights out! I have seen passengers sit in a pitch dark car before because they know that the diver will tip the train out if he was aware of the fault. Some people eh?? I'm not sure how I'd approach speaking to the driver even if I wanted to in the rush hour without looking like a terrorist! Interesting answers though. The train definitely left Bank still in darkness, so I don't know whether the driver spotted any warning signs... |
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Post by compsci on Jul 21, 2012 22:02:25 GMT
Is there any ability to inadvertently not turn the lights on at all or a MCB that could have tripped without an obvious warning?
I experienced no saloon lights at all twice when commuting between Cambridge and KX. The first time nobody noticed anything at all until the tunnel at Welwym, at which point it was something like murder on the orient express. Mercifully there was no delay on approach to KX or we would have been stuck in gasworks tunnel in complete darkness. We were met by a raving manager after seemingly half the train had been on the phone to customer services.
The second time I noticed going under a bridge before Royston, got out there and had a chat with the driver. This resulted in a cheer going up from the front carriage when light was restored. Though I did need to fight to get my seat back.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2012 10:05:04 GMT
Lighting is normally restored automatically within a couple of stops automatically.. Actually not, we have to hit some to buttons in the cab. Is there any ability to inadvertently not turn the lights on at all or a MCB that could have tripped without an obvious warning? No, it would come up on DTS I'm not sure how I'd approach speaking to the driver even if I wanted to in the rush hour without looking like a terrorist! Interesting answers though. The train definitely left Bank still in darkness, so I don't know whether the driver spotted any warning signs... The TOp should have spotted the message on DTS and hit the reset once the train was in a platform. If that fails then you try tripping the MCBs when you reach the end of your trip, they’re hidden under one of the perch seats if it’s a C/B unit or in the cab if it’s an A/B unit. If it was during the peak then the station staff on the platform are meant to watch out for this if they’re doing their job (I said if…). They inform Wood Lane who pass it on to the TOp. If you can't get to the cab then tell a member of staff when you get off, the3-digit dot matrix train number on the front and back is far more use than the actual car number, if you can’t get that then the destination also helps. You can try knocking on the cab door. Some TOps treasure their solitude, we took this job cos we wanted to get away from the passengers, and might be a little reticent to open the door but some of us are quite sociable even when we’re not stood at the bar with a pint in our hand. |
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Post by superteacher on Jul 22, 2012 12:50:34 GMT
Got on an A stock a few months ago at North Harrow - it was a sunny day and the T/OP has clearly turned the lights off (nothing wrong with that!). At Harrow, there was a change of driver, and the train carried on towards Aldgate, still without lights. At Finchley Road, I expected the T/OP to turn the lights on prior to entering the tunnel. But he didn't, and it was a dark and interesting ride between there and Baker Street. At Baker Street, I jumped out to tell the driver. Of course, he was oblivious to there being no saloon lights on, and blamed the previous driver for not telling him.
In the days of guards, this kind of thing never happened since on most stocks, they were in with the passengers. It is perhaps for this reason that lights were frequently switched off in open air sections, but rarely so today.
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jul 22, 2012 14:59:01 GMT
It is perhaps for this reason that lights were frequently switched off in open air sections, but rarely so today. Also the LU OPO regs from 1984 state that lights should remain on at all times on OPO trains. |
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Post by harrowman on Jul 23, 2012 9:57:14 GMT
Got on an A stock a few months ago at North Harrow - it was a sunny day and the T/OP has clearly turned the lights off (nothing wrong with that!). At Harrow, there was a change of driver, and the train carried on towards Aldgate, still without lights. At Finchley Road, I expected the T/OP to turn the lights on prior to entering the tunnel. But he didn't, and it was a dark and interesting ride between there and Baker Street. At Baker Street, I jumped out to tell the driver. Of course, he was oblivious to there being no saloon lights on, and blamed the previous driver for not telling him. In the days of guards, this kind of thing never happened since on most stocks, they were in with the passengers. It is perhaps for this reason that lights were frequently switched off in open air sections, but rarely so today. Oh yes it did, I remember several occasions in the sixties on the Bakerloo through service from Watford Junction to Elephant after Queens Park when the guard only noticed it when he couldn't continue to read his newspaper. ;D |
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Post by neilw on Jul 23, 2012 18:38:34 GMT
ditto at Newbury Park WB!! If the lights were switched off on a 62 TS, then so were the emergency lights, which meant trying to navigate the guards panel by pilot light!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2012 15:12:23 GMT
Got on an A stock a few months ago at North Harrow - it was a sunny day and the T/OP has clearly turned the lights off (nothing wrong with that!). At Harrow, there was a change of driver, and the train carried on towards Aldgate, still without lights. At Finchley Road, I expected the T/OP to turn the lights on prior to entering the tunnel. But he didn't, and it was a dark and interesting ride between there and Baker Street. At Baker Street, I jumped out to tell the driver. Of course, he was oblivious to there being no saloon lights on, and blamed the previous driver for not telling him. In the days of guards, this kind of thing never happened since on most stocks, they were in with the passengers. It is perhaps for this reason that lights were frequently switched off in open air sections, but rarely so today. Last year, on a day when Met Line trains were not going further than Harrow On The Hill most trains were running with no lights. See here: www.flickr.com/photos/16299801@N03/5747724772/in/set-72157626655997245/and here: www.flickr.com/photos/16299801@N03/5747729464/in/set-72157626655997245/I can remember running through Penge Tunnel in the dark a few times on fasts to Victoria in my early working days in the 90's. Presumably this was due to the guard checking tickets at the time and being too far from his van to turn them on or else he was asleep! |
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Post by Ben on Jul 25, 2012 1:57:54 GMT
Would there not have been some kind of over-riding reference to car lighting in the line suppliments to appendix 11?
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Post by superteacher on Jul 26, 2012 10:57:40 GMT
Happened again yesterday! Had ridden on an S7 down to Hammersmith, then got on a C stock - which had no lights. Of course, I wondered whether they would be switched on at some point. First taste of darkness was in the underpass tunnel between Westbourne Park and Royal Oak. However, after a pitch black run from Paddington to Edgware Road, I thought I'd better tell the driver. He looked a little bemused!
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