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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2012 17:13:01 GMT
After three visits this week finally saw a LO train on the SLL today. First saw it passing Wandsworth Road westbound about 10.40 then (below) passing Denmark Hill eastbound about 11.10. Clicky for piccy<<Rincew1nd - edit: Image changed to link, as per forum rule  >>On my returning from Blackheath through Denmark Hill about 14.15 saw another LO train heading east - not sure it was the same one. Apart from the Surrey Quays - QR Peckham link and work at Clapham Junc Plat 2 seems to be very little LO related work happening. There is what I guess new lifts going in at Denmark Hill but don't know if this would have happened anyway. Don't think these will be finished by December judging by last similar install I saw. Surprised at how much freight passes along the SLL - 14 trains (inc one Network Rail) in 3 visits. May just have been in the right place at the right time. Additional interesting sighting Weds - a Javelin train travelling into Victoria about 12.10 "Not in Service" then left around 12.30 still looking empty. Took a rough photo of it from north end Battersea Park Plat 1 but it was on the viaduct behind a gas holder on the direct Victoria - Brixton line and I didn't have my zoom lens on. Reason for visit?? |
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Post by bicbasher on Sept 13, 2012 18:15:39 GMT
It's worth noting on this extension, LO are only taking over management of two stations, Wandsworth Road and Clapham High Street with the others staying with Southern or Southeastern.
If the ELL extension south is anything to go, cosmetic changes won't happen until after the service commences at the two LO stations.
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Post by Deep Level on Sept 13, 2012 18:58:01 GMT
So is that route training?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2012 15:24:31 GMT
The javelin runs into victoria once a week for route learning, as victoria is the diversionary route if there is a problem on HS1, also for anyone interested a javelin does also run to swanley once a week also for route learning.
The 378's should be a regular visitor to the SLL now so all drivers can gain enough route knowledge and also all trains should be pausing at stations so drivers can learn the correct stopping marks.
I know work is in the first stages at wandsworth road and clapham high street, this mainly means a few lines sprayed onto the platforms to show were new shelters will be and stopping marks etc. the main bulk of the work inculding the new signs and the painting of handrails/footbridges should be starting in october from what I have been told.
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Post by redbond on Sept 14, 2012 16:28:25 GMT
Yes it is route learning. All of the instructors have been trained and it's the driver's turns now. Route Learning trains will be between Canada Water, Clapham Junction Platforms 1, 2 and Middle Sidings and Battersea Park Platform 2. Trains will be turning around using the crossover south of Canada Water. There's bound to be a few bemused faces on the platform when a train enters from the "wrong" direction!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2012 19:26:44 GMT
Checked Network Rail site about the work going on at Denmark Hill. Article dated 26/05/2011 states it is to create a step free route between the entrance and all four platforms including the installation of a new footbridge and three new lifts. Also says it is scheduled to be completed by Summer 2012. Clearly well behind schedule as there is no footbridge and only two sets out of three of metal girders where the lifts will be installed. Computer image of finished work on www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/Press-Releases/NEW-IMAGES-SHOW-DENMARK-HILL-WILL-BE-MORE-ACCESSIBLE-FOR-ALL-163d.aspx |
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Post by bicbasher on Sept 17, 2012 18:07:13 GMT
Has management of Wandsworth Road and Clapham High Street transferred to LOROL yet or will it be on the first day of service?
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Post by snoggle on Sept 21, 2012 20:46:08 GMT
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Post by causton on Sept 22, 2012 1:34:31 GMT
Nice work! Very comprehensive. As an aside, I went to Clapham High Street today (amongst other places) -- saw 378146 and will upload a few pictures soon  |
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Post by causton on Sept 22, 2012 20:05:54 GMT
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Post by snoggle on Sept 25, 2012 18:04:46 GMT
Yes it is route learning. All of the instructors have been trained and it's the driver's turns now. Route Learning trains will be between Canada Water, Clapham Junction Platforms 1, 2 and Middle Sidings and Battersea Park Platform 2. Trains will be turning around using the crossover south of Canada Water. There's bound to be a few bemused faces on the platform when a train enters from the "wrong" direction! Are there any plans to intensify the number of training paths in the run up to the line opening? I know two of the future (post 9/12/12) paths are those occupied by the existing LOB - VIC Southern service but I wondered if there was a further spare path 30 minutes later that the one currently used. Can anyone recall what happened with the ELL south of NXG in terms of route learning? How many paths per hour were available? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2012 20:06:15 GMT
There are 23 booked driver training paths in the system for the south london line, as the line is an operational railway which is very busy with passenger and freight traffic, I very much doubt there is any other space for any other training paths.
There is a difference between the south london line and the east london line as the latter was not an operational railway when the driver training was being done.
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Post by bicbasher on Sept 26, 2012 21:33:34 GMT
There is a difference between the south london line and the east london line as the latter was not an operational railway when the driver training was being done. South of New Cross Gate it was still an operational railway. I can't remember how many paths they were given for training on that part of the line pre May 2010? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2012 7:56:41 GMT
When I've been on the SLL over the last 2 weeks the half hourly Victoria to Dartford via Lewisham train has crossed over onto the SLL before Clapham High St, gone through Denmark Hill then back onto the Lewisham line before Peckham Rye. Perhaps this is to mesh in to the service on the SLL to Victoria so they both call at the same platforms at Denmark Hill as the Dartford trains preceed the SLL trains by a few minutes or it is to avoid the junction at Brixton??? Wonder if they will still do this after the timetable change?
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Post by snoggle on Sept 27, 2012 13:05:05 GMT
There are 23 booked driver training paths in the system for the south london line, as the line is an operational railway which is very busy with passenger and freight traffic, I very much doubt there is any other space for any other training paths. There is a difference between the south london line and the east london line as the latter was not an operational railway when the driver training was being done. Thanks - I know the ELL *north* of NXG was a green field site so more intensive testing was possible. I was just curious as to whether NR had squeezed more paths out for the ELL than for the SLL. Out of curiosity I happened to be on the ELL n/b yesterday about 1546 at Silwood Junction and a SLL test train was waiting to enter the ELL n/b. This was almost 30 minutes later than the test path so perhaps there had been a delay or an extra path was squashed in. Nothing shows on Open Train Times though. |
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Post by andypurk on Sept 27, 2012 15:42:03 GMT
When I've been on the SLL over the last 2 weeks the half hourly Victoria to Dartford via Lewisham train has crossed over onto the SLL before Clapham High St, gone through Denmark Hill then back onto the Lewisham line before Peckham Rye. Perhaps this is to mesh in to the service on the SLL to Victoria so they both call at the same platforms at Denmark Hill as the Dartford trains preceed the SLL trains by a few minutes or it is to avoid the junction at Brixton??? Wonder if they will still do this after the timetable change? I thought that the use of the southern pair of platforms, by the South Eastern Victoria service, had more to do with avoiding possible conflicts with the services to/from/via Blackfriars at the junction to the west of Denmark Hill. In the past, it also kept the South Eastern services out of the way of Eurostars between Brixton Junction and Linford Street Junction, as the SE trains could use the Chatham Reversible line (or the low level lines) to access Victoria. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2012 16:51:53 GMT
There are 23 booked driver training paths in the system for the south london line, as the line is an operational railway which is very busy with passenger and freight traffic, I very much doubt there is any other space for any other training paths. There is a difference between the south london line and the east london line as the latter was not an operational railway when the driver training was being done. Thanks - I know the ELL *north* of NXG was a green field site so more intensive testing was possible. I was just curious as to whether NR had squeezed more paths out for the ELL than for the SLL. Out of curiosity I happened to be on the ELL n/b yesterday about 1546 at Silwood Junction and a SLL test train was waiting to enter the ELL n/b. This was almost 30 minutes later than the test path so perhaps there had been a delay or an extra path was squashed in. Nothing shows on Open Train Times though. Yeah it was 9Z78 Clapham junction to Dalston Junction running around an hour early and yes it was an additional training run.  |
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Post by causton on Sept 30, 2012 1:56:28 GMT
When I've been on the SLL over the last 2 weeks the half hourly Victoria to Dartford via Lewisham train has crossed over onto the SLL before Clapham High St, gone through Denmark Hill then back onto the Lewisham line before Peckham Rye. I did think this was odd, only going to the area for the parliamentary trains and now the LO route testing trains I presumed SE trains always used the fast and SN trains always used the slow - didn't realise SE used both! (Also, a 442 came through from Victoria towards Clapham High Street when I was at Wandsworth Road last - any ideas?) |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2012 7:32:34 GMT
When I've been on the SLL over the last 2 weeks the half hourly Victoria to Dartford via Lewisham train has crossed over onto the SLL before Clapham High St, gone through Denmark Hill then back onto the Lewisham line before Peckham Rye. I did think this was odd, only going to the area for the parliamentary trains and now the LO route testing trains I presumed SE trains always used the fast and SN trains always used the slow - didn't realise SE used both! (Also, a 442 came through from Victoria towards Clapham High Street when I was at Wandsworth Road last - any ideas?) You know I am going to answer that last question the 442 will have been running from stewarts lane depot (which you flyover on the train between wandsworth road and battersea park) to another depot in south london either streatham hill or selhurst, its a regular transfer move as 2 sets of 442 units stable at streatham hill off peak having run a service into london bridge from eastbourne |
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Post by snoggle on Sept 30, 2012 18:53:35 GMT
Thanks - I know the ELL *north* of NXG was a green field site so more intensive testing was possible. I was just curious as to whether NR had squeezed more paths out for the ELL than for the SLL. Out of curiosity I happened to be on the ELL n/b yesterday about 1546 at Silwood Junction and a SLL test train was waiting to enter the ELL n/b. This was almost 30 minutes later than the test path so perhaps there had been a delay or an extra path was squashed in. Nothing shows on Open Train Times though. Yeah it was 9Z78 Clapham junction to Dalston Junction running around an hour early and yes it was an additional training run. Ah - thank you. Well that rather suggests there might be another clockface path (30 mins later than the current test path) on the SLL during the off peak period. Once on the ELL I suspect it is a case of follow the train in front as closely as possible until you can get out of the way at Dalston! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2012 19:31:51 GMT
The only trains I spotted (off peak) on the SE lines through Denmark Hill were the half hourly Kentish Town to Sevenoaks service plus the odd xx.58 Victoria to Gillingham running non stop to Bromley South via Catford but didn't see any in the reverse direction. A lot less than the SLL lines.
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Post by bicbasher on Oct 16, 2012 15:31:11 GMT
I finally spotted a Clapham Junction test train at Canada Water yesterday afternoon. It arrived on Platform 3 between the New Cross and West Croydon trains.
The driver quickly changed cabs by going through the unit and went off again with time to spare for the West Croydon service to pull it. People thought the West Croydon service was starting from there!
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Post by redbond on Oct 17, 2012 10:55:00 GMT
There would've been another driver in the rear cab ready to liven it up as soon as the key was out of the other cab.
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Post by snoggle on Oct 26, 2012 19:47:35 GMT
Has management of Wandsworth Road and Clapham High Street transferred to LOROL yet or will it be on the first day of service? Clapham High St was still under Southern control today. However it is clear that work is now underway to upgrade the stations. The overground style wooden benches have already arrived on the platforms. No sign yet of any TfL signage at CLP or WWR. |
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Post by 21146 on Nov 16, 2012 18:53:55 GMT
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Post by snoggle on Nov 17, 2012 22:29:58 GMT
Work is proceeding apace on the enhanced facilities at Clapham Junction - platform 2 canopy, extra stairs and break through into the upper overbridge. The new canopy on P2 is now erect and roofed. A crane was present at Clapham Junction today (17/11) and I think had winched in some parts of the new stairs (it was hard to see exactly). The two new flights of stairs are physically in place but need the rest of the outer structure and side / roof cladding putting in place. A small metal frame building is also under construction near the boundary of P1/P2. New train indicator boards have been installed on platforms 1 and 2 but are not yet switched on. I think Network Rail are in a mad dash to the finish line of early December - I assume a smiling Mayor will want to snip a ribbon or similar a couple of days before the line officially opens. Clapham Junction would be an obvious venue as a train and the new facilities can be "quaranteened" if necessary. update - I have put 5 photos on Flickr showing some of the works underway yesterday. www.flickr.com/photos/24759744@N02/sets/72157631590897333/ |
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Post by 21146 on Nov 18, 2012 13:12:48 GMT
The test trains are still running it seems:
3M97 10.12 NXG - Canada Water
3N00 10.19 Canada Water - Clapham p2
3M01 10.58 Clapham p2 - Canada Water
3N50 11.19 Canada Water - Clapham p2
3M51 12.00 Clapham p2 -Canada Water
3P02 12.24 Canada Water - Battersea Park
3O03 13.00 Battersea Park to Canada Water
3N52 13.19 Canada Water - Clapham p2
3M53 13.57 Clapham p2 - Canada W
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Post by bicbasher on Nov 20, 2012 23:06:35 GMT
Roll on to full service as the test train at Canada Water delayed the West Croydon and Crystal Palace trains at 8.30pm this evening.
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Post by causton on Nov 21, 2012 3:48:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2012 18:24:50 GMT
Work has started on updating the route maps onboard the trains.
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