Terminating at TCR

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According to a comment on a YouTube video, it is possible to display Tottenham Court Road as a destination on the 1992TS. Nevertheless, apparently, the train would still run empty to Holborn and presumably head up the siding from there.

Does anybody know under what circumstances this would be done, as opposed to tipping out at Holborn? Or, for that matter, why Tottenham Court Road is singled out, but there isn't, say, the option of selecting Lancaster Gate for trains terminating at Marble Arch?

[Chris M]

Apr 29, 2014 0:02:26 GMT tut said:

According to a comment on a YouTube video, it is possible to display Tottenham Court Road as a destination on the 1992TS. Nevertheless, apparently, the train would still run empty to Holborn and presumably head up the siding from there.

Does anybody know under what circumstances this would be done, as opposed to tipping out at Holborn? Or, for that matter, why Tottenham Court Road is singled out, but there isn't, say, the option of selecting Lancaster Gate for trains terminating at Marble Arch?

It would be done if there was something stopping Holborn being used (e.g. engineering work at the station, power failure, etc) when there is also something stopping them running further east. I can't answer your second question though.

[piccboy]

Apr 29, 2014 0:02:26 GMT tut said:

According to a comment on a YouTube video, it is possible to display Tottenham Court Road as a destination on the 1992TS. Nevertheless, apparently, the train would still run empty to Holborn and presumably head up the siding from there.

Does anybody know under what circumstances this would be done, as opposed to tipping out at Holborn? Or, for that matter, why Tottenham Court Road is singled out, but there isn't, say, the option of selecting Lancaster Gate for trains terminating at Marble Arch?

The train would not necessarily need to run to Holborn as the sidings are just west of the closed Museum Street station. So they could stop there (at a Limit of Shunt board), driver change ends then into sidings. I suspect there could be section switches to isolate traction current just outside Museum Street so Holborn and further east can be isolated for engineering works / other incidents.

FYI Piccadilly Line has something similar at Down St, which is in between Hyde Park Corner and Green Park.

To answer your question on Lancaster Gate, the sidings at Marble Arch are just outside the station and the orientation means that trains going east would have to stop at Marble Arch to reverse.

I got my info on the Central Line from carto.metro.free.fr/cartes/metro-tram-london/index.php?gpslat=51.532474&gpslon=-0.133734&zoom=4 which does show orientation and positions of sidings quite accurately in my opinion.

[neilw]

I'm sure piccboy is correct, it was the same on 62TS, blind had options for Holborn, TCR, Bethnal Green, Queensway, anywhere where a cross-over enables the service to be truncated.

[Deleted]

Before the Central Line was resignalled in the 1990s it was possible to put a train back into British Museum siding by reversing east to west in the vicinity of British Museum disused station. 1962 Stock had "Tottenham Court Rd" on their (last set of) destination blinds (and also "Queensway" and "Bethnal Green").

With the current signalling, trains have to proceed into the eastbound platform at Holborn and then shunt back using shunt signal HOL4354. There is no signalled move back into the siding from the eastbound line from the disused station.

[neilw]

snap Brian!

[Deleted]

Thanks!

Is it possible to get Grange Hill or Grange Hill via Hainault up as a destination? I'm just curious, because I know you can get Grange Hill via Woodford, but I believe you can also go into Hainault depot from the inner rail platform, judging by the shunt signal at the end of it.

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Don't know about the 1992 Stock but the last set of blinds for the 1962s also included -

"Woodford" (over) "via Hainault" and "Hainault" (over) "via Woodford". Both were black lettering on yellow.

[Fahad]

Is this very rare then?

[Deleted]

Well I've certainly never seen it! Thanks for that, where was this taken, do you know? I only ask because it seems to me from all that's been said already that the fun and games with tipping out at TCR happens on the eastbound. I know you can't go east to West Ruislip...so either this must be on a platform where you can go in both directions, or something's gone wrong with that screen, or can trains also go back east from Tottenham Court Road westbound?

[Deleted]

Unless, of course, this is part 2 of today's quiz?

[Fahad]

Good idea!

[Deleted]

Well that at least solves that mystery. Thanks for that, I enjoyed it

[superteacher]

Apr 29, 2014 14:36:22 GMT tut said:

Well I've certainly never seen it! Thanks for that, where was this taken, do you know? I only ask because it seems to me from all that's been said already that the fun and games with tipping out at TCR happens on the eastbound. I know you can't go east to West Ruislip...so either this must be on a platform where you can go in both directions, or something's gone wrong with that screen, or can trains also go back east from Tottenham Court Road westbound?

Trains definitely cannot go back east from TCR westbound platform. So this destination is a bit of a mystery! The only way it could be done was if Holborn station was closed, but still being used to reverse a train. Ib that case, it would run empty from TCR to HOL.

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Apr 29, 2014 18:41:55 GMT superteacher said:

Apr 29, 2014 14:36:22 GMT tut said:

Well I've certainly never seen it! Thanks for that, where was this taken, do you know? I only ask because it seems to me from all that's been said already that the fun and games with tipping out at TCR happens on the eastbound. I know you can't go east to West Ruislip...so either this must be on a platform where you can go in both directions, or something's gone wrong with that screen, or can trains also go back east from Tottenham Court Road westbound?

Trains definitely cannot go back east from TCR westbound platform. So this destination is a bit of a mystery! The only way it could be done was if Holborn station was closed, but still being used to reverse a train. Ib that case, it would run empty from TCR to HOL.

Hi there superteacher, thanks for the clarification As it turns out, the picture was taken at Northolt westbound platform 1. I can only assume the Tottenham Court Road train was to be reversed off platform 1 over the crossover at the 'east' (Greenford) end and tipped out and run up to Holborn and into the sidings as described. Obviously the West Ruislip would just carry on west as normal.

[superteacher]

It is still very unusual! Actually, reversing trains in the platform at Northolt is fairly infrequent in itself. And for the destination TCR to be set up, they would have known that HOL was closed in advance. And reversing at TCR / HOL from east to west is a.move they would rather avoid since it would mean holding up the trains behind it.

Dod you actually wait to see if the train actually arrived, then departed with that destination. it isn't unknown for phantom trains to be indicated on the system, only for them to disappear again.

[Deleted]

This was fahad's picture, I don't know if any such train arrived, but I hope it did. I'm with you on that, a definite rarity, I'd've loved to've been there to watch, although you probably can't see much at Northolt, I suppose. But you're quite right and even if it did arrive as a TCR and did depart as a TCR, there's still the chance that it was eventually sent somewhere else.

[Fahad]

The train did reverse off the platform at Northolt (and it's not the last time I saw that happen these two months, either)

It carried on to Hainault via Newbury Park, it must have just been a glitch in the system.