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Post by flippyff on Sept 16, 2014 20:43:29 GMT
On the plans for TSGN franchise it states that the Uckfield line trains will be increased in length "when cascaded diesel stock available", are they referring to the Goblin's class 172s or something else? TIA Simon |
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Post by Tubeboy on Sept 16, 2014 21:01:20 GMT
I thought they were off to Chiltern?
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Post by norbitonflyer on Sept 16, 2014 21:03:56 GMT
"when cascaded diesel stock available", are they referring to the Goblin's class 172s or something else? That's an indefinite promise if you like - Spare diesel stock is as rare as hen's teeth, so you might as well say"when I win the lottery" or "when I see a pig fly" |
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Post by revupminster on Sept 16, 2014 21:37:08 GMT
They could do with those in Devon and Cornwall. The 150's are knackered.
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Post by rincew1nd on Sept 16, 2014 22:21:24 GMT
They could do with those in Devon and Cornwall. The 150's are knackered. You think the 150s are broken? Try travelling Northern Rail, it's Pacer-tastic! |
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Post by Indefatigable on Sept 16, 2014 23:28:28 GMT
They could do with those in Devon and Cornwall. The 150's are knackered. You think the 150s are broken? Try travelling Northern Rail, it's Pacer-tastic! And I wouldn't have it any other way Pacers will last forever - I hope |
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Post by snoggle on Sept 16, 2014 23:55:07 GMT
On the plans for TSGN franchise it states that the Uckfield line trains will be increased in length "when cascaded diesel stock available", are they referring to the Goblin's class 172s or something else? TIA Simon I suspect TSGN have something in their sights but have opted not to say. I expect there will be a massive "bidding war" to get hold of the GOBLIN 172s so there's no point in any TOC declaring their intentions too early or publicly. I doubt TfL will want to say where they may go in case it wants to keep them in the event of other possible developments like the Hounslow - Hendon putatitve service (I know there are a load of issues about whether that's feasible and what is done at OOC). The crucial issue is what on earth the conclusions to the Northern / TPE / Great Western franchising competitions are. They're crucial in terms of determining what EMUs go where, whether they're new or cascaded and what happens to the Pacer fleets (scrap yard or accessibility conversion works). We also need to see if George "I just smashed open the piggy bank" Osborne says about electrification in the Autumn Statement in December and Budget next spring. I expect to see some more cash being promised to be splashed in the North to string more wires thus potentially freeing up more DMUs and needing more EMUs. This could then be reflected in the ITT for Northern and TPE. |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Sept 17, 2014 6:28:31 GMT
Maybe the units used on Marshlink, if the ambitious plans to electrify that line come to anything. Of course, the BML2 lobby want the Uckfield line electrified, so this suggestion of extra dmus from elsewhere suggests that is not happening any time soon.
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Post by melikepie on Sept 17, 2014 11:19:52 GMT
You think the 150s are broken? Try travelling Northern Rail, it's Pacer-tastic! And I wouldn't have it any other way Pacers will last forever - I hope Do you think Pacers would last on the Underground? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 11:29:24 GMT
165's are going to Devon & Cornwall and they are knackered already - just ask the drivers. 172's to Chiltern to join their existing fleet and to with Chiltern expanding their services to Oxford and Milton Keynes they will need more trains.
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Post by Indefatigable on Sept 17, 2014 15:00:49 GMT
And I wouldn't have it any other way Pacers will last forever - I hope Do you think Pacers would last on the Underground? I don't think they would fit, would they? Happy to be corrected on this |
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Post by norbitonflyer on Sept 17, 2014 16:18:06 GMT
Do you think Pacers would last on the Underground? I don't think they would fit, would they? Happy to be corrected on this I'm sure they'd fit on the SSL. Given the proposals to send D stock to Yorkshire, perhaps a swap could be arranged? I'm not sure they would be ideal for the Circle Line, but maybe the Chesham shuttle? |
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Post by Indefatigable on Sept 17, 2014 16:33:17 GMT
Hmm... Now that could be interesting!
I shall have to look at the design specs and see if they would fit - although a need to battery fit or convert to electric rail for the pacers would have to be in order
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Post by domh245 on Sept 17, 2014 16:41:34 GMT
Why would they need to go over to electric? Surely you could leave them as they are, rather than faffing around with what is essentially a rebuild beneath the Solebar. Remember that this would also be a rebuild of a train that is coming up for retirement, and in the case of the 142s, is due to be scrapped in or around 2019. A More realistic barrier rather than the fact that they are diesel is that they are desperately needed to operate and strengthen services on the many unelectrified lines in the north - not to mention that if a 142 turned up at chesham, most passengers would grab their briefcases and run away screaming towards their cars
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Post by norbitonflyer on Sept 17, 2014 16:58:35 GMT
Since privatisation, the operators of the GN suburban services have been all-electric, but now, for the first time, they have some diesels too. This opens up some potential for meeting a long-felt want - by extending some Peterborough services over the "Joint" line you can give a certain university and cathedral city and county town as good a service as Kings Lynn
It seems East Coast have bigger fish to fry and simply can't be bothered - unless it's a cunning plan to boost York's tourist trade - and electrification over the 17 miles from Newark is apparently "too difficult", despite a marked absence of tunnels or indeed bridges on the route.
So it seems our best hope for a direct London service is for Marshlink and/or Uckfield to be electrified.
(I can dream, can't I?)
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Post by Indefatigable on Sept 17, 2014 18:09:58 GMT
Why would they need to go over to electric? Surely you could leave them as they are, rather than faffing around with what is essentially a rebuild beneath the Solebar. Remember that this would also be a rebuild of a train that is coming up for retirement, and in the case of the 142s, is due to be scrapped in or around 2019. A More realistic barrier rather than the fact that they are diesel is that they are desperately needed to operate and strengthen services on the many unelectrified lines in the north - not to mention that if a 142 turned up at chesham, most passengers would grab their briefcases and run away screaming towards their cars I meant if they ever went in the tunnels Have you ever seen a 142 or 144 throw out clag from a standing start? |
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